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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 12, 2014 - 05:50pm PT
Interesting reading;


http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=5195
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 12, 2014 - 06:08pm PT
Yep, we live in interesting times. There's still time to put a stop to it but it would require the majority of sheep to wake up. Historically that doesn't happen. But maybe...
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Nov 12, 2014 - 06:42pm PT
It's not so surprising when the first step about being tough on crime is the expedience of civil forfeiture before any guilt is proven in a court of law.

The cops love to repo bad people's, or any people's valuables and use them as a down payment for a tank or armour. American cops would be much happier as a paramilitary force.

But what do we know up here in Canada ? The RCMP are in fact and always have been, a federal paramilitary police force.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Nov 12, 2014 - 06:45pm PT
The roadmap to the police state is already programmed on the GPS


DMT
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 12, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
Davis, CA is returning their armored vehicle. Hope others follow.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 12, 2014 - 08:05pm PT
Clarence King writes:
"...adoration of liberty...is the only sure foundation of modern representative government."

It's not made clear the text is from a letter, a pamphlet, or what in my source, his bio, and he was writing on US-Spanish-Cuban relations in the 1890s, but even so, it still can apply to police guys beating on peace guys or their families.

Remember the Alamo? Remember the Maine? Will we remember Ferguson?

I doubt this will cause much of a ripple, but it needs to be aired out and talked out before it's buried under the next headline avalanche.

We have our SWAT guys, just like you have yours. This stupid paranoia has struck deeply into our police forces. It seems that they get pretty much whatever they ask for nowadays, within reason. Heaters for a traffic cop's motorcycle is not the equivalent of the latest fifty or twenty mm twin.

We limited the city police, of course. Kevin drives the unit, since it's his car. He owns Binary Systems Computers or BS Computers. He volunteers, of course. He thinks he may get free advertising on TV out of it when the unit needs to respond and the media is in back of the floodlights, filming away. He closed the shop and drove in the parade, right behind the sheriff's swank SWAT vehicle. The sheriff gets pretty much what he needs here--more ammo for target shooting so they don't have too much problem with stray rounds because of the practice, that's a biggie. We just last week elected a new sheriff, so this is a suspenseful time here.

Rescue, anyone?  Shoot-out?  We'll be 10-7 at the Do-Bar in Atwater if...
Rescue, anyone? Shoot-out? We'll be 10-7 at the Do-Bar in Atwater if you need us.
Credit: mouse from merced
My bud Kevin's driving.  "They get all the pork.  City force gets the ...
My bud Kevin's driving. "They get all the pork. City force gets the spam. Hmmm...."
Credit: mouse from merced

Seriously, we ARE in PS right now, and it's everywhere there is a badge. It's the uniformity of the training. Much the same as in the military. Who's teaching these courses? Ex-military.

Not seriously (for the unobservant), the cannon atop the smaller vehicle above is a broomstick, I guess; turret, probably cardboard; hatch, a plastic garbage can cut down to size.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 12, 2014 - 08:05pm PT
I had two local "woods cops" literally jump me one night whilst I was riding my bicycle across a paved road atop a local dam after dark (like 7pm). They had been hiding behind a concrete barrier. I had a bright headlamp and my back was festooned with blinking lights as to not get killed on the normal roads. Both of these thugs had guns drawn and were shaking like leaves... One had her (yes her) finger tightly wrapped around the trigger. I'd lived there 10 years and made the same trip at least 1000 times. This was in a rural crime-free area frequented by baby strollers, dog walkers, and people from the neighborhood all the time.

After some panicked screaming and yelling when I blinded them completely with my much brighter HID headlamp... they informed me this road was closed after dark. That's when I saw the finger on the trigger... I can still see it.

When everyone had calmed down I asked the big dumb one if they had some kind of recent problem that caused them to react horribly to a lone bicyclist in shorts and a white t-shirt with lethal force. She looked at me with those big retarded TSA eyes and said "Nine-eleven buddy.. Nine-eleven....."




Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 12, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
I suppose there are more over-policed states than Utah, but I recall a 1990's article in the "somewhat-liberal" Salt Lake Tribune titled: "Don't Question Authority."

It described the out of control Salt Lake City & Country Police offences against respectable citizens, who happened to piss off a cop.

The story featured graphic descriptions of folks like the 80 year old returning to a public garage after a Jazz basketball game, who questioned the folks shining flashlights in his eyes, if they were police. He was stomped, beaten, and ended up in a hospital in critical condition.

I also remember the woman who offended an off-duty cop while driving to work. He forced her car to the edge of the road, jumped out and screamed at her to get the fuk out of her car. When she asked who he was, he pulled her out of her car by the hair and stomped her.

Of course, both those folks and many others ended up in jail and /or the hospital.

The local police union fights any lawsuits, like anyone who questions authority is Satan.

Iím sure it is worse for those that arenít white, or who donít look respectable.

I travel Utah a fair amount on business and have my own stories, and those of friends. It is a ďpolice-state,Ē especially in rural areas.

Utah! The donít question authority state.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Nov 12, 2014 - 08:27pm PT
Support brave free citizens like these -

http://peacefulstreets.com/


Make no mistake, the citizens of this country are viewed as being nothing more than Uncaught Perps by our Police forces. In my lifetime, I have gone from being taught to trust and respect the friendly Neighborhood Beat Cop in Blue to outright fear and hatred of their increasing militarization conducted under the guise of protecting me from Cartel Boogeymen or Al Quaeda Terrorists.

I have yet to be attacked by Cartels or bombed by Arabs but have four times been subjected to assaults on myself and my property by the so called Protectors.

As a child traveling to the sands of Myrtle Beach in our stuffed 1964 Chevy BelAir wagon I can recall my Dad being routinely being stopped and shaken down for cash for "traffic violations".

As a teen I remember the Sheriff down the street drunkenly recounting his seizures of then rare color TVs as "evidence" which later appeared either in his living room or for sale in his garage.

As a young man working a B shift job while going to college during the day being stopped night after night driving home from my job because it was suspicious that I was out at 1:00 am. I can't tell you how many times my last 20 bucks for the week turned up missing from my wallet after the license check.

As a responsible home owner and middle manager who happened to let my cancer stricken kid brother grow a single weed plant in my backyard having my house stormed by over 17 SWAT guys who literally destroyed the interior while killing time until I got home from work. I still recall the pain of explaining to my wife why over half of her jewelry was somehow missing after this attack.

I have neither respect nor sympathy for these thugs. I know it is not right to paint all LEOs with such a broad brush but I feel it is much more prudent and personally safer to see each as a threat and proceed accordingly.



Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 12, 2014 - 08:30pm PT
let republicans have their way and that is exactly what you'll get






thebravecowboy

climber
walking, resin-stained, towards the goal
Nov 12, 2014 - 08:31pm PT
I've never seen a problem so bad that the police could not make it worse.


While I like most of the solutions that the Balko fellow has to offer, I think that bodycams need fulltime mandate for all cops, not just on raids.

nah000

climber
canuckistan
Nov 12, 2014 - 09:17pm PT
She looked at me with those big retarded TSA eyes and said "Nine-eleven buddy.. Nine-eleven.....

didn't know whether to laugh or cry... 'cause it wasn't me, i laughed.

thanks, fear.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 12, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
It's always somewhat amusing when leftwing and 'libertarian' (aka patriot) hysteria intersect in such profoundly romantic ways..
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Nov 13, 2014 - 06:59am PT
No thanks, would rather have education and a society that polices itself and it's police.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Nov 13, 2014 - 07:49am PT
Which one is the Chief?

Too many gangsters at loose, on the streets and in highrises.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 13, 2014 - 07:53am PT
In a way, you can't blame the police for treating each situation like an armed encounter. Remember the North Hollywood bank shootout?

Is it possible that the NRA backed proliferation of high-powered weaponry has caused a reaction form the police?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Nov 13, 2014 - 08:17am PT
Latino gangbanger cartel weapons warehouse, Fresno California....

Why I'd give anything to the police to keep that sh#t off the streets. Anything....



DMT
WBraun

climber
Nov 13, 2014 - 08:47am PT
LOL ........
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Nov 13, 2014 - 08:49am PT
Oh the chief, you're such a little peckerhead ;)

DMT
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 13, 2014 - 08:49am PT
The map leads directly to Ferguson, Missouri.
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