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Majid_S

Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 16, 2014 - 11:44am PT
Blizzard conditions kill 27 in Nepal with another 70 missing as officials warn it will take days to dig out bodies from deep snow,Dozens of stranded foreign trekkers have been rescued and more bodies have been found following a blizzard and avalanches in northern Nepal, taking the death toll to 27.

About 70 people are still missing along or near the popular Annapurna trail, according to the Trekking Agencies Association of Nepal, and the death toll is expected to rise.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2794053/blizzard-conditions-kill-12-climbers-nepal-officials-warn-days-dig-bodies-deep-snow.html
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Oct 16, 2014 - 11:57am PT
I was reading about it. Apparently some Canadians ducked under a boulder and were spared. Pays to pick your rocks carefull, Eh!

http://news.yahoo.com/nepal-rescue-workers-resume-search-dozens-missing-hikers-044607995.html
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Aurora Colorado
Oct 16, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
Hard to imagine what this was. Throng La pass is like the cables route on half dome, probably the most popular hiking trail in Nepal. Just before the high point there is a guest house where you sleep, so you are not far from shelter, even though its over 16,000'. I don't remember going underneath any snowpacks or any kind of avalanche danger. With 27 dead bodies already found and 70 missing, I'm sure we'll learn more.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Oct 16, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
Evidently it was extra heavy snowfall, and the snow was the wet, heavy kind so the weight built up much more quickly than usual, so that a normally safe area became really hazardous.
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Oct 16, 2014 - 05:11pm PT
radio report said 6 feet of snow overnight.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 16, 2014 - 05:14pm PT
hey there say, majid_s... very sad to hear this... had my mind on this and praying for all those folks... :(

avalanche season is sad and hard... sometimes, though, i forget that some folks can have avalanche season, near all year round... :(


thank you for sharing...
martygarrison

Trad climber
Washington DC
Oct 16, 2014 - 06:04pm PT
I read many of those who died just got lost in the heavy snow. I agree on Thorong La I don't remember many avalanche looking cliffs on the pass itself but seem to remember steep cliffs near Manang.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 17, 2014 - 08:04am PT
Here's some more information on the disaster from Outside on line.

Why Did So Many People Die in Nepal?

We'd known about the storm for days, so how come hundreds of trekkers were caught off guard?

By: Sam Moulton and Grayson Schaffer

http://www.outsideonline.com/adventure-travel/asia/nepal/Why-Did-So-Many-People-Die-in-Nepal.html
TWP

Trad climber
Mancos, CO
Oct 17, 2014 - 08:06am PT
http://nepalitimes.com/page/annapurnas-avalanche-and-blizzard-early-weather-warning-systems

Coverage from the Nepal Time.
John M

climber
Oct 17, 2014 - 08:17am PT
thats quite a read Fritz. Thanks for posting that. I never did like the notion of being separated from my gear. I understand thats how it done. But I still wouldn't like it.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 19, 2014 - 07:40am PT
Marlow's post moved to correct thread.


Seems like it's a dead link

Fixed it.
WBraun

climber
Oct 19, 2014 - 07:43am PT
6 feet of snow overnight.


And "They" say there's no climate change.

There climate on the planet has been in the extremes .....
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Oct 19, 2014 - 08:04am PT
Thanks TGT !

Thorong Pass has had a reputation for killing storms for at least the 40 years I've been going to Nepal. The potential for disaster has only increased with the growing number of trekkers.

The government can't even manage garbage collection in Kathmandu so it has to be the trekking agencies who provide the weather reports and warnings. Helping them to do so seems like an excellent project for an NGO.
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Oct 19, 2014 - 08:14am PT
These are high altitude mountains . . . the potential for extreme conditions always exists and should be considered by those venturing into them. Sad and tragic confluence of events . . . hoka hey.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Oct 19, 2014 - 10:03am PT
I hope Neal Weiss aka lovegasoline is ok. He had a thread going here asking for info on trekking there for about this time of year.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Oct 19, 2014 - 10:24am PT
That's right! Personally I favor the Khumbu region. If anything goes wrong you're not as far out and there are valleys full of Sherpas nearby who are experienced at rescues.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 19, 2014 - 11:28am PT
hey there say, jan... i always appreciate the things you share... thank you, not just for this, but many other shares...

say, as to all these links, guys, thank you...


i wonder as to the weather and how it all works, in these areas, and how much hikers, get to understand, as well...

this was interesting to learn, about the bay of bengal:

e casualties among trekkers in blizzards and floods tend to be higher in the peak autumn season, since heavy rains are not expected. However, weather experts say October is when trekkers and mountaineers have to most careful because it is the cyclone season in the Bay of Bengal.

“Given that there is mobile and internet access along the Annapurna circuit, you cannot blame weather alone,” says climate analyst Ngamindra Dahal, “this wasn’t a surprise storm. The real question is why weren’t the warnings heeded?”

Indeed, Indian and Nepal meteorological offices had been warning about heavy precipitation from the remnants of Cyclone Hudhud as it veered north towards Nepal ever since it made landfall on 12 October. International tv channels warned of heavy rain in western and central Nepal. Two days before the storm arrived, Nepali media had warned farmers to protect their harvests.

The information was there, but it doesn’t seem to have got to the trekkers high up behind the Annapurnas. The question is why.



oh my, as to all this, i learned a lot, but sadly,
i wish it had not be learned by those that were living through this...
very sad for those involved in this (*after this quote, i read how folks had to decide which was better, the altitude affects, or the storm situation and trying to get down:


By the time trekkers reach the foot of the pass, Thorong Phedi, a tiny outpost with a few bare-bones lodges at 14,600 feet, most have been hiking for more than a week but haven’t been higher than 12,000 feet, the elevation of the Rocky Mountains. Many people head straight over the pass from Thorong Phedi, hoping to beat altitude sickness by getting over the pass and descending before symptoms set in. Others spend the night at Thorong Phedi High Camp, at 16,240 feet, to give their bodies an extra night to adapt to altitude before making the final push over the pass. But even with that extra night, trekkers are ascending Thorong La far quicker than they typically hike up to Everest Base Camp. The general rule of acclimatization above 10,000 feet is that you’re supposed to sleep only 1,000 feet higher than you slept the night before. Regardless of where trekkers start, heading up and over Thorong Pass in a day or two puts them at serious risk for altitude sickness. At a minimum, movements and judgement are impaired.

again, thank you all for sharing and my prayers for the families that lost loved ones and friends, :(
son of stan

Boulder climber
San Jose CA
Oct 19, 2014 - 12:53pm PT
A moment in life that lives in memory.

Simply follow the marker wands. Really?
The snow is burying them.
Follow then down the mountain.
But you can't see more than a few feet in
any direction.

Force 10 winds, snow, and fog.
No vision references of the slope.

Its hidden. Every step a surprise.
Rumbling hissing avalanches.
Near and far.

This life punctuated by jolting bangs of lightning
and echoing thunder.
Boots hunting for unseen placement you step down.
Hope to get down.
A long time later.
Then you are.
Never ever Down.


John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Oct 20, 2014 - 09:02am PT
Rest in Peace valiant trekkers!

I memba once, it was starting to snow as we left Namche. By the time we got up to the Everest Hotel for tea, it was nearly a full on whiteout. We left the hotel just after a big party of Japanese trekkers.

My group, was the usual assortment of Iron peeps, Marathoners, people in pretty good shape.

We left the Hotel, there's about 6" of fresh snow. There were people in the Japanese group, that clearly had zero experience at moving in those conditions at altitude. They were already struggling, floundering in the snow. An ugly sight. We gradually worked our way through them and left them behind.


Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Aurora Colorado
Oct 21, 2014 - 01:16pm PT
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