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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Aurora Colorado
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Oct 16, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
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Hard to imagine what this was. Throng La pass is like the cables route on half dome, probably the most popular hiking trail in Nepal. Just before the high point there is a guest house where you sleep, so you are not far from shelter, even though its over 16,000'. I don't remember going underneath any snowpacks or any kind of avalanche danger. With 27 dead bodies already found and 70 missing, I'm sure we'll learn more.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Oct 16, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
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Evidently it was extra heavy snowfall, and the snow was the wet, heavy kind so the weight built up much more quickly than usual, so that a normally safe area became really hazardous.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Oct 16, 2014 - 05:11pm PT
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radio report said 6 feet of snow overnight.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 16, 2014 - 05:14pm PT
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hey there say, majid_s... very sad to hear this... had my mind on this and praying for all those folks... :(
avalanche season is sad and hard... sometimes, though, i forget that some folks can have avalanche season, near all year round... :(
thank you for sharing...
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martygarrison
Trad climber
Washington DC
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Oct 16, 2014 - 06:04pm PT
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I read many of those who died just got lost in the heavy snow. I agree on Thorong La I don't remember many avalanche looking cliffs on the pass itself but seem to remember steep cliffs near Manang.
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John M
climber
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Oct 17, 2014 - 08:17am PT
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thats quite a read Fritz. Thanks for posting that. I never did like the notion of being separated from my gear. I understand thats how it done. But I still wouldn't like it.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 19, 2014 - 07:40am PT
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Marlow's post moved to correct thread.
Seems like it's a dead link
Fixed it.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 19, 2014 - 07:43am PT
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6 feet of snow overnight.
And "They" say there's no climate change.
There climate on the planet has been in the extremes .....
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Oct 19, 2014 - 08:04am PT
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Thanks TGT !
Thorong Pass has had a reputation for killing storms for at least the 40 years I've been going to Nepal. The potential for disaster has only increased with the growing number of trekkers.
The government can't even manage garbage collection in Kathmandu so it has to be the trekking agencies who provide the weather reports and warnings. Helping them to do so seems like an excellent project for an NGO.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Oct 19, 2014 - 08:14am PT
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These are high altitude mountains . . . the potential for extreme conditions always exists and should be considered by those venturing into them. Sad and tragic confluence of events . . . hoka hey.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Oct 19, 2014 - 10:03am PT
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I hope Neal Weiss aka lovegasoline is ok. He had a thread going here asking for info on trekking there for about this time of year.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Oct 19, 2014 - 10:24am PT
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That's right! Personally I favor the Khumbu region. If anything goes wrong you're not as far out and there are valleys full of Sherpas nearby who are experienced at rescues.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 19, 2014 - 11:28am PT
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hey there say, jan... i always appreciate the things you share... thank you, not just for this, but many other shares...
say, as to all these links, guys, thank you...
i wonder as to the weather and how it all works, in these areas, and how much hikers, get to understand, as well...
this was interesting to learn, about the bay of bengal:
e casualties among trekkers in blizzards and floods tend to be higher in the peak autumn season, since heavy rains are not expected. However, weather experts say October is when trekkers and mountaineers have to most careful because it is the cyclone season in the Bay of Bengal.
“Given that there is mobile and internet access along the Annapurna circuit, you cannot blame weather alone,” says climate analyst Ngamindra Dahal, “this wasn’t a surprise storm. The real question is why weren’t the warnings heeded?”
Indeed, Indian and Nepal meteorological offices had been warning about heavy precipitation from the remnants of Cyclone Hudhud as it veered north towards Nepal ever since it made landfall on 12 October. International tv channels warned of heavy rain in western and central Nepal. Two days before the storm arrived, Nepali media had warned farmers to protect their harvests.
The information was there, but it doesn’t seem to have got to the trekkers high up behind the Annapurnas. The question is why.
oh my, as to all this, i learned a lot, but sadly,
i wish it had not be learned by those that were living through this...
very sad for those involved in this (*after this quote, i read how folks had to decide which was better, the altitude affects, or the storm situation and trying to get down:
By the time trekkers reach the foot of the pass, Thorong Phedi, a tiny outpost with a few bare-bones lodges at 14,600 feet, most have been hiking for more than a week but haven’t been higher than 12,000 feet, the elevation of the Rocky Mountains. Many people head straight over the pass from Thorong Phedi, hoping to beat altitude sickness by getting over the pass and descending before symptoms set in. Others spend the night at Thorong Phedi High Camp, at 16,240 feet, to give their bodies an extra night to adapt to altitude before making the final push over the pass. But even with that extra night, trekkers are ascending Thorong La far quicker than they typically hike up to Everest Base Camp. The general rule of acclimatization above 10,000 feet is that you’re supposed to sleep only 1,000 feet higher than you slept the night before. Regardless of where trekkers start, heading up and over Thorong Pass in a day or two puts them at serious risk for altitude sickness. At a minimum, movements and judgement are impaired.
again, thank you all for sharing and my prayers for the families that lost loved ones and friends, :(
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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Oct 19, 2014 - 12:53pm PT
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A moment in life that lives in memory.
Simply follow the marker wands. Really?
The snow is burying them.
Follow then down the mountain.
But you can't see more than a few feet in
any direction.
Force 10 winds, snow, and fog.
No vision references of the slope.
Its hidden. Every step a surprise.
Rumbling hissing avalanches.
Near and far.
This life punctuated by jolting bangs of lightning
and echoing thunder.
Boots hunting for unseen placement you step down.
Hope to get down.
A long time later.
Then you are.
Never ever Down.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Oct 20, 2014 - 09:02am PT
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Rest in Peace valiant trekkers!
I memba once, it was starting to snow as we left Namche. By the time we got up to the Everest Hotel for tea, it was nearly a full on whiteout. We left the hotel just after a big party of Japanese trekkers.
My group, was the usual assortment of Iron peeps, Marathoners, people in pretty good shape.
We left the Hotel, there's about 6" of fresh snow. There were people in the Japanese group, that clearly had zero experience at moving in those conditions at altitude. They were already struggling, floundering in the snow. An ugly sight. We gradually worked our way through them and left them behind.
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