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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 23, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
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http://www.salon.com/2014/05/13/the_us_is_now_deporting_its_decorated_even_wounded_war_veterans_partner/
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 23, 2014 - 04:03pm PT
All military service comes with the assumption that you could be put in harms way in service to the country. That is no longer an assumption for those decorated for valor or wounded. Regardless of country of origin....such service should be recognized.

There is plenty of human trash born here whose deportion would serve the country well....but, alas, there is no one to take them. Would composting work?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Sep 23, 2014 - 04:12pm PT
Deportation of a legal alien requires a conviction of a crime of "moral turpitude". Just because someone is a veteran, or even a disabled veteran does not automatically make them a good person.

Even if convicted of a crime of moral turpitude, a veteran alien is eligible for a waiver of deportation, in which case military service become a big mitigating factor.

Veterans usually get into the immigration system through the criminal justice system (drugs and alcohol), and then do not mount a vigorous defense to their deportation. It is sad because many would have had a good shot at a waiver. I have seen non-veteran tweekers get a waiver.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2014 - 04:40pm PT
Yes Jon, I saw that the men in the video had been in trouble after their discharge from the service. But it's clear from watching the video that they feel strongly about their service, and their country. Or what they thought was their country. How in the world could they have not had advice to muster a vigorous defense, as you put it?

They should be first in line for a rehab offer, or a break of some kind.
They served our country honorably after all.
Everyone of them that I saw reference to had been honorably discharged.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Sep 23, 2014 - 05:45pm PT
How in the world could they have not had advice to muster a vigorous defense, as you put it?

They were likely incarcerated and on an immigration hold. Unless they had money and someone on the outside to do the leg work, it would be difficult to retain an attorney to put on a defense. Immigration court proceedings are civil in nature so there is no right to counsel. I am sure there are plenty of veterans getting waivers, but those vets probably have family and resources to deal with the system.

This is an issue that is ripe for a veterans group to take up, but these men (it is almost always men) are not always a sympathetic lot. It is an uphill battle after the fact.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 23, 2014 - 06:23pm PT
Like all cannon fodder, once they've been used, The Man has no further use for them. No different from any other vet.
Avery

climber
NZ
Sep 23, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
For good or bad reasons, these people fought for their country. For that alone, they deserve special consideration.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 23, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
I just saved 5% by switching to Allstate...
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
I earned 20 Karma points by setting up a camp for homeless vets and caring about my Mexican American brothers in arms.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 23, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
The Chief....Wait a minute...They let the illegals join our military without checking their immigration status , then let them serve our country and then deport them because they are not citizens...? That's some f*#ked up sh#t..!
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Sep 23, 2014 - 10:44pm PT
You have to be a legal resident with a green card in order to join the military. The swearing in ceremonies you referred to are for citizenship, I think there is expedited citizenship for military, ordinarily it requires 7 years as a permanent resident. They could have become citizens without joining the military

To end up in deportation one does not have to necessarily commit a serious crime. You could even get probation with no jail time and end up in deportation.

It is surprising what DOES NOT constitute a crime of moral turpitude. Manslaughter is not a crime of moral turpitude, while DWI can be considered moral turpitude.

A lot of these guys troubles begin when they have an inexperienced criminal attorney plead them out to the wrong charge. They are happy they got probation but nonetheless end up in deportation proceedings.

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Sep 24, 2014 - 04:42am PT
Because of legal reforms in 1996, legal residents convicted of a number of criminal offenses are deported with no possibility of judicial discretion. There is no exception for those who fought in America’s wars — not even those, like Barrios, who were wounded and awarded decorations.

Two problems here:

1. Why is the military accepting criminals? Because of Bush's war, the military has significantly lowered its standards. So now we have heroin addicts getting deployed to the poppy fields of Afganistan. How do you think that is that working out?

2. Sounds like the "legal reform" of 1996 needs some legal reform of its own, to allow for some discretion.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Sep 24, 2014 - 06:09am PT
Would composting work?

But only for the greater good.

Because of Bush's war

Obummer.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Sep 24, 2014 - 06:30am PT
I have a couple of thoughts.

Actually, just one, get rid of this david- dude.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Sep 24, 2014 - 09:17am PT
Yeah it sucks. But that is the price these dudes now must pay for not playing by the rules.

The man speaks the truth.

A tiger can't change his stripes. A lot of the vets were dirtbags before they served in the military, and they couldn't break old habits afterwards.

Good riddance, I say.
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