Left #2Cam on The Grack

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Stacy Bloom

Sport climber

Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 20, 2014 - 09:59am PT

Hi there,

I'm posting for a friend. We were climbing The Grack on August 9th and I got his #2 stuck in the afternoon heat expanded rock, he went back the next morning to grab it, but someone must have done an evening climb and snatched it.

Please hit me up if you grabbed this cam on the evening of August 9th or very early morning of August 10th.

Thanks!

bergbryce

climber

East Bay, CA

Aug 20, 2014 - 10:06am PT

Heat expanded rock = someone else's booty.

ms55401

Trad climber

minneapolis, mn

Aug 20, 2014 - 10:29am PT

too bad you abandoned your gear. I'd write off any chance of being reunited with the cam.

Barbarian

climber

Aug 20, 2014 - 10:53am PT

Heat expanded rock = someone else's booty.

Not necessarily true! I got a #8 hex stuck on El Cap in 1980 and had it returned to me in 2009. I was really glad to get it back as it had only been placed once.

I understand the generally accepted booty rules, but still hope you are successful in retrieving your cam. Best of luck!

skitch

climber

East of Heaven

Aug 20, 2014 - 11:18am PT

Any normal person would see that cam as booty. A cam was definately over-cammed if it got stuck "due to heat expansion", more likely it rotated into a bad placement.

You better offer $$$ and/or beer for its return.

le_bruce

climber

Oakland, CA

Aug 20, 2014 - 11:56am PT

I got his #2 stuck in the afternoon heat expanded rock

That is an awesome excuse with a sheen of science that I plan on using in the future when I get my partners' cams stuck.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Aug 20, 2014 - 12:02pm PT

"Please hit me up if you grabbed this cam on the evening of August 9th or very early morning of August 10th."

Is it just me, or does the tone of this request sound kinda unrealistically entitled?

Anyway...this sounds like the classic example of booty.

kev

climber

A pile of dirt.

Aug 20, 2014 - 12:18pm PT

Me thinks this be a troll. This is their first and only post here.

Al_Smith

climber

San Francisco, CA

Aug 20, 2014 - 12:22pm PT

Nothing wrong with posting up and asking people.

If I had found that cam, I'd at first be excited. But if I then saw a request for its return on the topo and therefore knew how to return it, I would do so, all 'booty rules' aside.

It's ya know, the right thing to do if you care about a) maintaining a sense of community with fellow climbers and visitors to the Valley and b) if you are a nice person...

...but wait, this is the Taco after all, so appeals to a friendly community obviously don't apply...

(jk...I love this place and the taco stand, but let's give the gal a break!)

Here's hoping it gets returned and all karma points are tallied fairly.

EDIT: I jumped off the rock at Waimea Bay on Oahu a few weeks back and like an idiot had forgotten to remove my sunglasses as they had pretty much become a fixture on my face that week. Bonehead move, I know...Minutes go by, and a young Hawaiian dude, all tribal tatted-up swims up to me and hands me my glasses. He had searched in 15 feet of water after seeing what happened and returned my shades to me. They were of the $15 gas station variety, but it was the gesture that counted. It made my day - and in some small way I'm sure it made his day as well. We all are stuck on this spinning sphere together (thank goodness, this place rocks!) but its just that it is so much better when selfless acts of kindness pervade (as opposed to selfishness.) Well that's my $0.02 anyway (which is probably worth $0.005...but I just couldn't help myself.)

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Aug 20, 2014 - 12:33pm PT

Yeah....this does sound troll-like....but why let that stop a good thread?

People post here all time about leaving gear somewhere and hoping to get it back. You tend to see the most supportive responses when the person is contrite about leaving it, and offers some kind of appreciative gesture in kind. This one doesn't really demonstrate any of this....pretty much like 'I left it...so I expect you to return it'....who the hell wants to help someone like that?

snarky

climber

vantuna

Aug 20, 2014 - 01:05pm PT

I want to hear more 'bout the science of "heat expanded" granite from an 80-degree day. I've never witnessed this, but I kinda dumb.

johntp

Trad climber

socal

Aug 20, 2014 - 04:11pm PT

Yeah....this does sound troll-like....but why let that stop a good thread?

Survey says:

Yer gonna die! (someone had to say it)

StahlBro

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Aug 20, 2014 - 04:20pm PT

It is ok to ask for it back once it has been bootied, just don't expect it. A little contrition might garner some generosity.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Aug 20, 2014 - 04:23pm PT

I want to hear more 'bout the science of "heat expanded" granite from an 80-degree day.

G Stock, ST regular and Yosemite geologist has discussed this, apparently they have sensors on select flakes and have documented daily movement.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1189611&msg=1830058#msg1830058

Johannsolo

climber

Soul Cal

Aug 20, 2014 - 04:26pm PT

Sport climbing is neither

kaholatingtong

Trad climber

Nevada City

Aug 20, 2014 - 04:31pm PT

Just for the record, there was a #2 c4 stick deep into the base of the chimney right below the 2nd belay, right above the mantle move, on the 2nd pitch of corrugation corner, at the Leap. I didn't notice it on lead, but apparantely according to my partner, if you have a long stick that you could fashion into a grabber-ma-jig- you could probably fish it out from above. Its just really far down in there, but apparantely not really stuck. It has been about a week now, and I don't know if its still there for sure, but, I figured this is the best place to post this.

NutAgain!

Trad climber

South Pasadena, CA

Aug 20, 2014 - 04:37pm PT

Whenever I leave a piece stuck, I assume it is booty for someone else unless they are immediately following me up and I ask them for help getting it out.

That said, we have a funny double-standard. Lost climbing gear, instant booty. Lost wedding ring, 20 years later we would all be cheering for it to be returned. Does this mean the principle for returning lost items depends on how useful/important it is to us vs. the original owner? Ethics that accommodate avarice?

Upon further thought, I suspect it's a simple matter of not knowing how to return the climbing booty to the rightful owner. Most people would probably give it back if they knew who the rightful owner was. At least that's how I like to think of the world.

Alpamayo

Trad climber

Sacramento, CA

Aug 20, 2014 - 04:59pm PT

It's more the aluminum that expands when heated, and shrinks when cold...not so much the rock. Cams ARE easier to get out when cold. A over-cammed cam on the verge of being stuck will also be more likely to be stuck when left in the sun for a while. Go get yer booty in the cold mornings!