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Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 19, 2014 - 04:23pm PT
Well, I decided to watch the beheading of the journalist just posted by these so-called patriots of Islam. I don't really know why, but it's too late now.

I was surprised how unfreaked out the journalist was as he read the message, and even how he didn't struggle as the final act was occurring.

What I really can't fathom is how anyone can inflict such a thing on another. I can understand defending oneself when faced with an armed agressor bent on doing one harm. But to calmly carry out such an act on someone incapable of fighting back?

Also, why does the killer need to hide his identity if he truly believes his cause is just and he has the support of Muslims "world wide?"

I just don't get it. And I do blame Bush & Co for all the sequelae that has resulted from invading Iraq. But that's a topic for so many other threads...
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:25pm PT
Please don't post any gruesome pics. If that's your thing, go elsewhere for it. But a discussion concerning isis and the caliphate, I think, could be worth having.

I thought this one regarding the caliphate from british muslims was informative...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXHg9AY6M2k
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
Please don't post any gruesome pics. If that's your thing, go elsewhere for it. But a discussion concerning isis and the caliphate, I think, could be worth deleting .

FTFY
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
You know, you've done that twice now, taken my comments, put them quotes and changed them. That's messed up.

Don't like the campfire, seek another one.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:32pm PT
Don't like the campfire, seek another one.

Don't need to change this one.



*edit* FTFY means "Fixed that for you." I'm not sure how hard I need to break down what that means but the whole point is that I'm not perfectly quoting you. I'm making it obvious...because that's the point.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
Well, just educate yourself then. Your ignorance and arrogance, two sides of some coin, are in the way.

.....

Applies equally to each of the three Abrahamic religions...

"The problem I have with religion - at every point on the spectrum from moderate to extreme - is that it stands as a permanent denial of the possibility of developing a truly rational, modern, open-ended discussion about the nature of our subjectivity, about the possibility of ethics and spirituality truly in conformity with our rationality as it exists now. Every religious person, every person who is committed to still being a Christian or Jew or Muslim or Buddhist is essentially giving tacit endorsement to the religious divisions in our world and essentially saying we need some measure of mythology, we need some measure of fairytale, we need to pretend on some occasions that we know things that we do not know. And it's simply untrue."

Sam Harris
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
If a lack of eagerness to demonize Muslims is ignorance then I'm pretty blissful.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
For starters, I recognize "demon" and "demonize" as Abrahamic religous concepts the world could do without.

How about "problem solve" in the interest of 21st century civilization instead.

Food for thought: Perhaps I don't like globalization (or global civilization) any more than you do, I don't know, but it's here to stay. Correct identification of the problem is half the solution to solving the problem. (the saying goes...) So burying your head in the sand re: fundies of Islam or jihadis of Islam is a non-starter.
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
I was surprised how unfreaked out the journalist was as he read the message, and even how he didn't struggle as the final act was occurring.

I didn't watch it and don't care to.

He likely knew what was coming and was probably dissociating to ease his suffering.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:42pm PT
Daniel Pearl knew what was coming and his beheading was gruesome as hell.

HFCS posted
For starters, I recognize "demon" and "demonize" as Abrahamic religous concepts the world could do without.

Much like your posting.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:42pm PT
Isis....oh, I thought this was about Tackle's route on Denali.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
Ah, Isis. Did you know Cleopatra was the Daughter of Isis (just as Ptolemy was the Son of Amon-Re and Jesus was the Son of Yahweh). It's true. Research it. Gods were a dime a dozen back then. Before Yahweh was institutionalized (beginning with Constantine and refined by Europe); and before half of America was mesmerized by it.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:48pm PT
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:49pm PT
how many heads could a wahabi jihadi chuck, if he could chuck, would chuck, heads?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:50pm PT
Really, nothing more informative or intellectual (yeah, I know, in America this is a bad word)? Then how about a beer down at the slough? ;)

hddj, you need to step down from your superciliousness - better, supercilious arrogance - that's my beta for you today.

Maybe you're reading too much Slate or Guardian, I don't know? but you need a more balanced perspective regarding the world of Islamists and what they believe.

Did you even bother with aforementioned video? Probably not. Show the world you're not operating out of a bubble or echochamber much like the Repubs and get informed. Till, you're an embarrassment even on a climbing site, lol!

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hddj, *edit* FTFY means "Fixed that for you." I'm not sure how hard I need to break down what that means but the whole point is that I'm not perfectly quoting you. I'm making it obvious

FTFY was clear enough. You're "sure" about more than you know, imo. That's the comedy / tragedy here.
CrackAddict

Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:51pm PT
Religions are all evil, IMO, in varying degrees. Not all are completely rotten though, you never hear of Satan worshipers committing acts like this.
Chewybacca

Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
Aug 19, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
Oh Mighty Isis...







High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 05:04pm PT
Truth is, Skept, whatever Bush and US and all others have done and are doing, it's certainly stirred the pot. I like to think that out of that, long-term at least, good will come of it. That's the hope. Thank goodness for today's young people who will have a better chance, owing to their higher education and savvy (global, scientific, etc), of seeing through the mess.

.....

It's a damn shame our generations have to go through this - but I guess, at bottom, it's the nature of nature. Every era has its Scylla and Charybdis.
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Aug 19, 2014 - 05:08pm PT
Not to worry, within a year or two ISIS will be operating in the USA


...and then we will all get to know ISIS really, really well



(Hint: they won't be softly knocking on doors, like Mormons do)
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 19, 2014 - 05:12pm PT
ISIS is a classic pathocracy on the march---like the Nazis on a blitzkrieg in the early stages of WW2. There are other numerous examples throughout history.
These movements are usually directed front and center by remorseless psychopaths who are not driven by humane motivations. Don't expect them to have a conscience or to act like normal people. Expect them to move fast and do a lot of killing.
In one case their justifications are religious, in another it might be race domination, or in another a draconian political ideology.
Their real motivations are shared by psychopaths everywhere ----a ruthless control and power over others.

BTW I would blame Obama more than Bush for the current conflagration there. His initial arming and support of the anti-Assad rebel forces ( the original ISIS) while simultaneously accelerating the withdrawal from Iraq--- all led to a power vacuum which ISIS rushed into. Thoroughly incompetent and egregiously stupid ---with both Kerry and Clinton deserving additional blame for their monumental brain-deadness. All of them are really bad jokes on the international scene----even more than Bush was, as hard as that is to believe.
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