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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 25, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
that I have tried to behave decently without expectations of reward or punishment after I am dead."
Kurt Vonnegut
Not everyone needs a credo that strains credulity.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 25, 2014 - 06:39pm PT
I don't beleive you!

Cosmic sent us this picture of your little church...

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2014 - 06:43pm PT
It wasn't a mega church but I was still in it for the money.
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jul 25, 2014 - 06:51pm PT
"I am a humanist, which means ..."

the guy who posts here as cragman thinks you're going straight to hell
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 25, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
"But if you have to try ,you clearly are not being decent"[google]

Great Cosmanip.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jul 25, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
Intellectually crossing mental fingers. Best wishes.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jul 25, 2014 - 07:01pm PT
So, can one be both a cannibal and a humanist?
thebravecowboy

climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
Jul 25, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Jul 25, 2014 - 07:30pm PT
Bravecowboy, really?! It's such a shallow and trite retort to Jim's position.
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jul 25, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
Despite its protests, Religion is entirely humanistic. That is the reason for the thousands of sects and constant changing of rules. People won't be told what to do by the church. That's why the christers don't kill adulturers or excommunicate divorcees among all the other humanistic, relativistic modifications to god's rules.
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jul 25, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
Charles, by being Swiss.
Enjoy your self and your dreams.
You own your government and your country.
Your people run the government and country and you will always find work when you want it.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jul 25, 2014 - 09:26pm PT
Pretty good deal on exorcisms.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jul 25, 2014 - 09:30pm PT
Don't forget Swiss steel.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 25, 2014 - 09:34pm PT
Which means soon you'll be drinking your own urine and standing on your head for hrs. on end..
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 25, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
Vonnegut is interesting and funny:
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
Kurt Vonnegut
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jul 25, 2014 - 09:47pm PT
Well now (another deep subject.)

It appears there are humanists,

Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism). The meaning of the term humanism has fluctuated, according to the successive intellectual movements which have identified with it.[1] Generally, however, humanism refers to a perspective that affirms some notion of a "human nature" (sometimes contrasted with antihumanism).

In modern times, humanist movements are typically aligned with secularism and with non-theistic religions.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

and non-humanists,



and horse-turds.

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Jul 25, 2014 - 10:36pm PT
I am a humanist
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 25, 2014 - 10:57pm PT
I'm not as dumb as I wish I was.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 25, 2014 - 11:03pm PT
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Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 26, 2014 - 01:07am PT

That I have tried to behave decently without expectations of reward or punishment after I am dead.
and I'd like to add: ...or before I die. People expecting frequent praise/rewards from other people, often turn into monsters when they do not get what they expect.
I'd also like to add Harold Pinter's summary of the strange power and ugly beauty of Beckett's work:

"He's not f*#king us about, he's not leading us up any garden path, he's not slipping us a wink, he's not flogging us a remedy or a path or a revelation or a basinful of breadcrumbs, he's not selling us anything we don't want to buy — he doesn't give a bollock whether I buy or not — he hasn't got his hand over his heart. Well, I'll buy his goods, hook, line and sinker, because he leaves no stone unturned and no maggot lonely."

In my view this is not in opposition to humanisme. It's the willingness to see things for what they are...

... which could lead me to comment on a couple of thread posts from confused minds, but I'll be kind...

Cosmic: +1 ^^^^
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