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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 25, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
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that I have tried to behave decently without expectations of reward or punishment after I am dead."
Kurt Vonnegut
Not everyone needs a credo that strains credulity.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jul 25, 2014 - 06:39pm PT
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I don't beleive you!
Cosmic sent us this picture of your little church...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 25, 2014 - 06:43pm PT
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It wasn't a mega church but I was still in it for the money.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Jul 25, 2014 - 06:51pm PT
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"I am a humanist, which means ..."
the guy who posts here as cragman thinks you're going straight to hell
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jul 25, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
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"But if you have to try ,you clearly are not being decent"[google]
Great Cosmanip.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jul 25, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
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Intellectually crossing mental fingers. Best wishes.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jul 25, 2014 - 07:01pm PT
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So, can one be both a cannibal and a humanist?
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thebravecowboy
climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
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Jul 25, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Jul 25, 2014 - 07:30pm PT
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Bravecowboy, really?! It's such a shallow and trite retort to Jim's position.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Jul 25, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
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Despite its protests, Religion is entirely humanistic. That is the reason for the thousands of sects and constant changing of rules. People won't be told what to do by the church. That's why the christers don't kill adulturers or excommunicate divorcees among all the other humanistic, relativistic modifications to god's rules.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Jul 25, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
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Charles, by being Swiss.
Enjoy your self and your dreams.
You own your government and your country.
Your people run the government and country and you will always find work when you want it.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jul 25, 2014 - 09:26pm PT
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Pretty good deal on exorcisms.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jul 25, 2014 - 09:30pm PT
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Don't forget Swiss steel.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 25, 2014 - 09:34pm PT
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Which means soon you'll be drinking your own urine and standing on your head for hrs. on end..
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Jul 25, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
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Vonnegut is interesting and funny:
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
Kurt Vonnegut
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 25, 2014 - 09:47pm PT
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Well now (another deep subject.)
It appears there are humanists,
Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism). The meaning of the term humanism has fluctuated, according to the successive intellectual movements which have identified with it.[1] Generally, however, humanism refers to a perspective that affirms some notion of a "human nature" (sometimes contrasted with antihumanism).
In modern times, humanist movements are typically aligned with secularism and with non-theistic religions.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism
and non-humanists,
and horse-turds.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Jul 25, 2014 - 10:36pm PT
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I am a humanist
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 25, 2014 - 10:57pm PT
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I'm not as dumb as I wish I was.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 26, 2014 - 01:07am PT
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That I have tried to behave decently without expectations of reward or punishment after I am dead. and I'd like to add: ...or before I die. People expecting frequent praise/rewards from other people, often turn into monsters when they do not get what they expect.
I'd also like to add Harold Pinter's summary of the strange power and ugly beauty of Beckett's work:
"He's not f*#king us about, he's not leading us up any garden path, he's not slipping us a wink, he's not flogging us a remedy or a path or a revelation or a basinful of breadcrumbs, he's not selling us anything we don't want to buy — he doesn't give a bollock whether I buy or not — he hasn't got his hand over his heart. Well, I'll buy his goods, hook, line and sinker, because he leaves no stone unturned and no maggot lonely."
In my view this is not in opposition to humanisme. It's the willingness to see things for what they are...
... which could lead me to comment on a couple of thread posts from confused minds, but I'll be kind...
Cosmic: +1 ^^^^
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