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neebee

Social climber

calif/texas

Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 18, 2014 - 11:36am PT

hey there say, all... have you ever been here?? any experiences you'd like to share... ?

just curious, as, i know there are lots of surfers here...

my mom once saw this really neat looking beach, and the 'wild waves' and the really cool rock... very invigorating...

wanted to go back, but later found out that they could NOT... :(
some billionaire was buying it up... :(
this seems to be the latest news...

the subject just came up on the phone, with my mom, as, she was sharing how great the experience was of 'discovering it' so long ago, as, she is calif since 1960 and seen so many other beaches, but never even heard of this one...

here it the link:
HOPE IT SHOW UP for the story, as, it seemed like for me, it got PUSHED away, by the newest news story of some other events????
but here goes:

http://www.latimes.com/local/countygovernment/la-me-martins-beach-20140717-story.html

link to some neat photos:
(was too long) do a yahoo search, for:
martins beach, california

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Jul 18, 2014 - 01:37pm PT

sucks for the surfers.
i know for a fact State property is dictated by the mean high tide..
maybe the surfers could build some other trail..
also, Malibu rich folk have tried numerous "trick's" to gain more land.

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Jul 18, 2014 - 04:01pm PT

Ah, the "cynical rhetoric of class warfare."

Nobody does it better than lawyers.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 18, 2014 - 04:02pm PT

It is not the beach itself at issue, rather it is the access. The billionaire bought the property in 2008 subject to whatever public easements were in force. This will go to the Supreme Court

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 18, 2014 - 04:14pm PT

Don't you have rights to access all water ways in the usa? be it river lake ocean?

Yes, public waters, however if the land adjacent to the public water is private you have no right to cross that property. The Coastal Commission works hard to maintain beach access across public property. When billionaires apply for building permits it often involves them granting some public access in exchange for the permit.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 18, 2014 - 07:14pm PT

So you don't have rights to access all water ways, if people buy up the land and say no access you can't access that area unless by boat?

Yes, access could be blocked.

Access on the actual waterways hinges on whether or not it is "navigable". If it can be used for recreation it is navigable.

http://www.waterboards.ca.gov/water_issues/programs/swamp/docs/cwt/guidance/1321.pdf

caughtinside

Social climber

Oakland, CA

Jul 18, 2014 - 07:26pm PT

Been going for a couple years. A great beach and fun surf. Hope it stays open to the public.

neebee

Social climber

calif/texas

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 08:09pm PT

hey there say, Jon Beck... thanks for sharing this info... i wondered more about it, and if there is any chance, etc, that folks can still trail there by legal help, somehow... or say, pyro, as to new trails, but sure don't see how, if that guy has all the land, :( ...

say caughtinside, thanks for sharing... i know, it sure sounds like a neat beach, :)

say, fivehead, i do not know, etc, about all the technical stuff and waterways... but thanks to Jon for chipping in more info...

Anxious Melancholy

Mountain climber

Between the Depths of Despair & Heights of Folly

Jul 18, 2014 - 09:51pm PT

On a tangent, canyoneers or others wishing to acces public lands often cite statutes similar to those linked by Jon to rationalize traversing private property via walking flowing stream beds or along their banks.

An outstanding example here in San Diego County is a descent of Boulder Creek from Boulder Creek Road to Three Sisters Falls, a set of water falls which sit below the outstanding backconty crags of Eagle Peak. There's a lot of No Tresspasing signs at the start where you traverse private property, yet many of us proceed down the creek to gain National Forest pools, granite slides and falls below with the knowledge that State Law backs our use of these "navigatable" waters.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Jul 18, 2014 - 10:07pm PT

Beautiful beach. I used to Striper fish out there off the beach. And the rocks.

all in jim

climber

Jul 18, 2014 - 10:13pm PT

Nearby Tunitas Creek Beach is nicer and more secluded than Martins. It's empty because people have a hard time scrambling down the the beach... but that shouldn't be a problem for climbers.

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Jul 22, 2014 - 02:18pm PT

pyro, as to new trails, but sure don't see how, if that guy has all the land, :( ...

maybe I just don't understand the rules when it come to mean high tide!

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujò de la Playa

Jul 22, 2014 - 04:40pm PT

I am the Brujo de la Playa, but apparently I have missed something. Where is Martin's Beach? OK, I found it. I guess I am now the Brujo de la Playa (south).

Anxious M: Nobody pays attention to those signs. Folks ride motorcycles through there. I grew up in SD, never went to the falls until last year. I did not ride an MC.

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Aug 19, 2014 - 08:17am PT

I know of some surfers who take a motor boat to get to some breaks!!!!

build a trail so u can drop a boat then find the beach!!!

that's too easy!!

Fletcher

Gym climber

A very quiet place

Aug 19, 2014 - 09:23am PT

The Surfrider Foundation has been active in battling this. They are making headway toward getting some legislation in California to provide better access.

Vinod Khosla is a vulture capitalist. Yes, that's really what we called them back in the day. I think some may actually like that term. I don't know what his deal is. Many are in the venture capital business to build and create useful things. But for some, the passion comes just from the acquisition of things, however fleeting they may be.

Eric

neebee

Social climber

calif/texas

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2014 - 10:46am PT

hey there say, eric... thanks for the update, as to the surfers...

:) hope so, in this way, as to something that they may find, to help, here...

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Aug 19, 2014 - 11:31am PT

The Surfrider Foundation has been active in battling this. They are making headway toward getting some legislation in California to provide better access.

surfrider is like access fund= joke!

just have to go find another break..kinda like some venturan's had to find another break because of some oil co..

Peter Haan

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, CA

Aug 19, 2014 - 12:32pm PT

The Martin's Beach issue is important but mostly in that it is a dispute of symbolic proportions. For real surfers the beach doesn't have much to offer compared to very nearby breaks. For families and people fishing, it might be more significant. It is also the first real beach south of busy messy Half Moon Bay where casual use is facilitated and the crowds are far less. For Kholsa to prevail here would bode poorly as precedent for other beach use and access battles coming in the state too.

The peculiar Republicanism of many Silicon Valley leaders such as Vinod is sometimes disappointing, considering their cumulative power and the hopes they would operate for the common good. And it is clear Kholsa loves a good spat too. Somehow such people have got to the point of believing the rest of us---the liberals---are merely in lock-step and that he is the true visionary here, battling a mushy faction that is just flat wrong. Right, he SHOULD gobble up crucial coastal lands and shut the gates. The very long history of Martin's public use, often for free, will make it very hard to continue denying that Martin's access and just being crappy-assed to others. Definitely an interesting man, though.

Gunkie

Trad climber

East Coast US

Aug 19, 2014 - 01:51pm PT

The Surfrider Foundation has been active in battling this. They are making headway toward getting some legislation in California to provide better access.

surfrider is like access fund= joke!

Yep. I cannot remember the last positive thing Surfrider did in NJ or NC OBX, the places I surf the most. What was the last thing the AF did for the Gunks? Expansion of the West Trapps parking or something like that?

However, what really turned me off from Surfrider is when they tried to launch a last second funding campaign to save a 'secret' spot (Harry's in Baja). The fact is was a secret spot, particularly on the west coast told me I will never get to surf this spot. I'm glad it's buried under a new harbor. A secret spot can stay a secret spot after it's good and gone if I don't have access in the first place.

F the Surfrider Foundation. But if the AF did some more stuff in the mid-Atlantic region to open up more climbing (e.g. NJ where there is lots of good rock, believe it or not) I would be excited about supporting with my funds.