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polygamy perv

Trad climber
UT
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 23, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
At what point in your day do you decide you will leave no trace?
Is it something your always conscious about?
Is it something you decide to do when you leave your car at the parking lot and go climb?
Will you start to LNT after you build your second home and get a third car?
Do you consider all the miles you drive to go climb and vacations you take to be LNT?
Is all the climbing gear you buy LNT gear?
Is climbing the only thing you apply LNT to?
Do you use bolts when climbing and then preach about LNT on Supertardo?



polygamy perv

Trad climber
UT
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 23, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
That's what I thought, all you LNT hypocrite's are just like me.
Warren
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 23, 2014 - 06:48pm PT
I constantly clean up other peoples garbage but I also cut down trees,(in the north east) trundle large rocks, build stone stairs and bolT shit;)
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 23, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
Don't have kids if you serious about LNT.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jun 23, 2014 - 07:09pm PT
You sound pretty pissed Warren. So this is more about you than anybody else here...to me it sounds like your trying to figure out your approach so I'll give a shot to giving my outlook on it. I'll keep this short.

The way you have put the question, leave no trace is impossible. It is an obtainable goal to be strived for. I do what I can to leave a positive legacy; electric car, solar pannels, rain water collection for watering the garden, passive solar for the house ect. Any traveling leaves a footprint. Can't be avoided and the best you can do is to try to offset it. Trash wise, I leave the backcountry cleaner than I left it. But I will leave fresh tape behind to get off a route if needed, but I cut away old stuff when I find it to help offset that. Anything manufactured...well, you want to get the most mileage out of it to help offset the wast stream generated. All electronics and autos are among the worst for the amount of waste generated for the product produced. Unfortunately, the electric car may turn out to be a poor choice environmentally speaking. If the battery is no good after 5 years of regular use, the car is just an expensive pile of toxic waste. My bad. There is no such thing as LNT, only as close as you are able to get.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 23, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
My 20mpg gass guzzeler is 11 yrs old and pushing close to 200k. i hear you don't even get 150k out of a hybrid and there are the massive toxic batteries to deal with......
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jun 23, 2014 - 08:30pm PT

Hey perv, do you live in a cave and leave no impact?

Why not just disappear with your negativity????
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jun 23, 2014 - 09:09pm PT
Of course anything over 5.8 will be C-1 for you old washed up bastards.
But spray away you old bad ass trad climbers. I want to hear about your FFA's and your free ascents. If there's bolts on the climb then it doesn't count because that means you would have clipped them.
Where are all the hard man free routes you guys have been putting up with out bolts?

Captain...or Skully

climber
in the oil patch
Jun 23, 2014 - 09:27pm PT
Haha!
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jun 23, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
I am a breatharian.

My home and car are powered by a flux capacitor (backed up by cosmic energy channeled through my chakras, and dilithium crystals).

Because I radiate power to the grid, I offset

I don't use a computer (or cell phone) because I tap directly into the the ether with a brain-to-radio wave transformer.
jammer

climber
Jun 23, 2014 - 11:43pm PT
At what point in your day do you decide you will leave no trace?

Roughly ten minutes to one hour after my morning coffee.



Is climbing the only thing you apply LNT to?

No. If I could buy a Tesla, I would, especially if they could make one with go-go-gadget tires and 4wd, made by hand out of hemp (except the electric parts and glass, obviously) by American workers paid a living wage, with the hemp having been grown organically on American soil in a sustainable manner by American farmers also paid a living wage.



Do you use bolts when climbing and then preach about LNT on Supertardo?

Yes.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 24, 2014 - 06:47am PT
Oh I leave trace.

But rarely report new routes anymore. Only to my friends.

DMT
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 24, 2014 - 07:46am PT

But rarely report new routes anymore. Only to my friends.

The Elite Climbers Guide to Trails that Lead Away From My Select Favorite Areas.
By DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 24, 2014 - 07:47am PT
That's Eye Leet.

DMT
Stewart Johnson

climber
lake forest
Jun 24, 2014 - 07:51am PT
when i flush.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 24, 2014 - 07:53am PT
Hey Polygamy Perv,

Are you a sissy, climbing only cracks, where gear can be placed every 2ft to keep your sorry ass safe and LNT of your incompetence?

Clink


polygamy perv

Trad climber
UT
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 24, 2014 - 10:29pm PT
bump
jonnyrig

climber
Jun 24, 2014 - 10:41pm PT
I chip with a 357.

Otherwise, while I don't necessarily go out of my way to LNT, I try not to be destructive. Ya gotta make a living, eat, etc. If ya truly wanted to LNT you'd off yerself in a pre-dug grave under a tree to fertilize it.

Life's about balance, and so is the rest of the planet. We're out of balance, and we've thrown the rest of the little sphere out too. Best we can do now is manage it. Do what you can without destroying yourself or your environment. Renewability is going to have to be king or we perish.

Although, maybe the 44mag would make bigger finger pockets... hmm...
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