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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:30am PT
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In the end most of us are rational.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jun 21, 2014 - 08:32am PT
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Compromise and camo your hangers.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:35am PT
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locker,
I see that as the End.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:37am PT
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clinker,
if there were a stealth paint that good we couldn't see the hangers on lead.
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jstan
climber
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Jun 21, 2014 - 08:38am PT
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In the end most of us are rational.
Not clear at all. If one values safety above all else, one would not climb.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:39am PT
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Randizzy,
and to your point? I said "most" should it be some as in sport climber do and trad climbers don't?
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:42am PT
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Jstan,
Your are physicist? Think like one, okay. As I say I would like some 99.9% certainty that after doing this climb I will be around for one more.
What number would you put on this for your climb??
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jstan
climber
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Jun 21, 2014 - 08:48am PT
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We have some wrong side of the bed here.
If all people are rational( and value safety above all else) we may conclude no climbers are rational.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:48am PT
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Randizzy,
The insult is in the eye of the receiver mind.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jun 21, 2014 - 08:49am PT
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if there were a stealth paint that good we couldn't see the hangers on lead.
Camo with a locating chip in each bolt. Equip the leader with a locating device and problem solved. This would be safer if night falls while climbing. The blind may also be able to lead such a route safely.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:50am PT
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Jstan,
you are using exclusive And/or logic set theory. Get on the Contiuumn.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:52am PT
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clinker,
Good idea, but I am not that much of techno weenie.
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jstan
climber
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Jun 21, 2014 - 08:53am PT
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Is this thread rational? Its rationale is not the only thing escaping us.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jun 21, 2014 - 08:55am PT
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"In the end most of us are rational. "
Hmm, perhaps knott if this thread is any indication. Usually they stay on track for the first page and go to hell by the 2nd. Becoming irrational as hysteria and emotional finger pointing take over. This one, however, with the exception of jstan and yourself of course, already turned off the rational direction it appears.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:56am PT
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Jstan,
rational is choosing the best of several less than optimal options.
You want to make the matter an all or none situation. Fine. I do not live my life that way.
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John M
climber
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Jun 21, 2014 - 08:59am PT
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you made it an all or nothing argument when you said
Safety trumps leave no trace..
That is a black and white statement
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 09:02am PT
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John M,
Some things are 100% in a continuum measurement. Or at least some 99.9%. That value 99.9999999999...% is permitted by this type of measuring and for you?
If you disagree with using such criteria tell us how? an example?
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John M
climber
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Jun 21, 2014 - 09:21am PT
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I have done things that I didn't have a 99.9 percent surety that I would be safe. I enjoyed them. I have also pushed it beyond my comfort level and didn't like it. I don't look for those situations as much as some do on this forum, but I certainly appreciate that desire.
You,, Dingus, seem to want to be damned certain you walk away.. Okay.. I got that. And you place it higher then other priorities. Some people place other things as a higher priority. Can you appreciate their point of view?
Some people say.. I can't climb that safely without putting in a bolt. I will leave it for someone else who might be able to climb it safely. That point of view is more important in an area with lots of climbers, because there is bound to be someone who would like the challenge. In a area with fewer people, and so much rock, it takes a seat further back.
just my two cents dude. you seem to want to flame anyone who disagrees with you.
Edit: heading out the door..
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 09:26am PT
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John M,
good thoughts.
just my two cents dude. you seem to want to flame anyone who disagrees with you.
I do have a terse, no non-sense way of getting to the point. Perhaps you experience "flame" . Non here.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 09:31am PT
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John M,
I do not change anyone else's routes except in Sport Climbing Routes where that action is permitted for safety.
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