Safety Trumps Leaving No Trace

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 1 - 20 of total 159 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Laramie
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:30am PT
In the end most of us are rational.
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jun 21, 2014 - 08:31am PT

In the end, it doesn't make much of a difference...
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 21, 2014 - 08:32am PT
Compromise and camo your hangers.
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Laramie
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:35am PT
locker,


I see that as the End.
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Laramie
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:37am PT
clinker,

if there were a stealth paint that good we couldn't see the hangers on lead.
jstan

climber
Jun 21, 2014 - 08:38am PT
In the end most of us are rational.

Not clear at all. If one values safety above all else, one would not climb.
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Laramie
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:39am PT
Randizzy,

and to your point? I said "most" should it be some as in sport climber do and trad climbers don't?
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Laramie
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:42am PT
Jstan,

Your are physicist? Think like one, okay. As I say I would like some 99.9% certainty that after doing this climb I will be around for one more.

What number would you put on this for your climb??

jstan

climber
Jun 21, 2014 - 08:48am PT
We have some wrong side of the bed here.

If all people are rational( and value safety above all else) we may conclude no climbers are rational.
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Laramie
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:48am PT
Randizzy,

The insult is in the eye of the receiver mind.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 21, 2014 - 08:49am PT
if there were a stealth paint that good we couldn't see the hangers on lead.

Camo with a locating chip in each bolt. Equip the leader with a locating device and problem solved. This would be safer if night falls while climbing. The blind may also be able to lead such a route safely.
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Laramie
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:50am PT
Jstan,

you are using exclusive And/or logic set theory. Get on the Contiuumn.
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Laramie
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:52am PT
clinker,

Good idea, but I am not that much of techno weenie.
jstan

climber
Jun 21, 2014 - 08:53am PT
Is this thread rational? Its rationale is not the only thing escaping us.
couchmaster

climber
Jun 21, 2014 - 08:55am PT
"In the end most of us are rational. "

Hmm, perhaps knott if this thread is any indication. Usually they stay on track for the first page and go to hell by the 2nd. Becoming irrational as hysteria and emotional finger pointing take over. This one, however, with the exception of jstan and yourself of course, already turned off the rational direction it appears.
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Laramie
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 08:56am PT
Jstan,

rational is choosing the best of several less than optimal options.

You want to make the matter an all or none situation. Fine. I do not live my life that way.
John M

climber
Jun 21, 2014 - 08:59am PT


you made it an all or nothing argument when you said

Safety trumps leave no trace..

That is a black and white statement
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Laramie
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 09:02am PT
John M,

Some things are 100% in a continuum measurement. Or at least some 99.9%. That value 99.9999999999...% is permitted by this type of measuring and for you?

If you disagree with using such criteria tell us how? an example?

John M

climber
Jun 21, 2014 - 09:21am PT
I have done things that I didn't have a 99.9 percent surety that I would be safe. I enjoyed them. I have also pushed it beyond my comfort level and didn't like it. I don't look for those situations as much as some do on this forum, but I certainly appreciate that desire.

You,, Dingus, seem to want to be damned certain you walk away.. Okay.. I got that. And you place it higher then other priorities. Some people place other things as a higher priority. Can you appreciate their point of view?

Some people say.. I can't climb that safely without putting in a bolt. I will leave it for someone else who might be able to climb it safely. That point of view is more important in an area with lots of climbers, because there is bound to be someone who would like the challenge. In a area with fewer people, and so much rock, it takes a seat further back.

just my two cents dude. you seem to want to flame anyone who disagrees with you.

Edit: heading out the door..
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Laramie
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2014 - 09:26am PT
John M,

good thoughts.

just my two cents dude. you seem to want to flame anyone who disagrees with you.

I do have a terse, no non-sense way of getting to the point. Perhaps you experience "flame" . Non here.
Messages 1 - 20 of total 159 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews