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moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 12, 2014 - 11:46am PT
I got an email from Access Found asking for action.


"We need your help to stop the NPS from removing bolts on wilderness climbs at Christmas Tree Pass!

Even if you do not climb at Christmas Tree Pass, your voice is needed to help prevent Lake Mead Recreation Area from setting a dangerous precedent that could affect climbing at other National Parks."

http://www.accessfund.org/c.tmL5KhNWLrH/b.5208267/k.8C84/Action_Center/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=tmL5KhNWLrH&b=5208267&aid=520695

I have never been to that area. What is your opinion. Is the place overbolted?

Andrzej

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 12, 2014 - 11:49am PT
Letter sent
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Mar 12, 2014 - 03:14pm PT
I have never been there either - disclaimer.
It seems that the NPS has already modified its initial bolt removal proposal of 4 years ago.
Now, per the AF:
"...the plan also states that the number of ‘bolt-intensive face climbs’ should be reduced to protect Wilderness character (solitude specifically) and natural and cultural resources. (A previous version of this plan was released in 2010 and scrapped due to issues raised by climbers and Native Americans.)
The draft Wilderness Management Plan calls for NPS managers to identify concentrations of their dubious interpretation of ‘bolt-intensive face climbs’ in order to decide which routes to erase for the sake of protecting Wilderness character."

That does still seem vague. What does it take to be "bolt-intensive?"
    one bolted route with a bolt every 20 feet?
    4 such routes spaced 30 feet apart? 40 feet apart?
    one apparently rap bolted sport route?
    4 such routes spaced 20 feet apart?


Based on what was posted in previous threads, apparently one sport crag was bolted there.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1151982&tn=100
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2111707&msg=2113134#msg2113134
Could removing some of those particular concentrated bolts be enough to resolve the issue?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Mar 12, 2014 - 10:20pm PT
Letter sent.

I can understand their concern for Spirit Mountain, but the Bridge Canyon Wilderness where the majority of the climbing is located is not an issue. The backcountry petroglyphs have no climbing routes near them, there's no chalk on the rock art. Any damage to rock art has come from idiots in Grapevine Canyon, not the climbers. The climbing impact has been good. Quite a bit of the litter at Dali Dome has been removed. Bags of spent shotgun shells have been collected.

They do need to post the wilderness areas. Keeping out the off-roaders would be a good thing.
moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2014 - 10:54pm PT
Send some letters people.

Please.

Andrzej
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Mar 13, 2014 - 12:16am PT
done and done
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Mar 13, 2014 - 12:33am PT
Bags of shotgun shells? No surprise in this state. Went to Pig Rock today North of Reno and it's a beautiful spot covered in graffiti, shot up junk, shell casings, and broken glass. Way to go! The climb we "warmed up" on appeared to have had gas poured down it and ignited. You stay classy! Woo! Party in the desert!

I'll write when I get to a PC. Don't ban bolts, drone strike rednecks, lol!
andrewsolow

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Mar 13, 2014 - 08:28am PT
The Lake Mead National Recreation Area Bolt Choppers are at it again
Please use either one of the links below to post your opposition to the latest NPS bolt CHOPPING plan. Comments are due on or before March 23, 2014.

Access Fund Comment Tool
http://www.accessfund.org/c.tmL5KhNWLrH/b.5208267/k.8C84/Action_Center/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=tmL5KhNWLrH&b=5208267&aid=520695

Park Service Comment Link
http://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?parkID=317&projectID=16820&documentID=57044
then click on "Comment on Document"
Comment Period: 01/14/2014 - 03/23/2014

The latest CTP bolt chopping plan is a solution in search of a problem.
The land managers from both NPS and LMNRA have been trying to come up with an excuse for chopping all of the bolts at Christmas Tree Pass, NV, aka: Bridge Canyon Wilderness since 2009. There are about 90 established routes at CTP, about 80% bolt protected. And, most of the bolts were placed on the lead using a star drill and a 20 OZ piton hammer.

This bolt chopping B.S. is government at its absolute worst. Loose Cannon Land Managers who hate rock climbers and rock climbing abusing their authority and discretion to punitively, capriciously, arbitrarily and maliciously destroy a climbing area. They should be scourged.

Hopefully, CTP won't be Cave Rock II.
Climberdude

Trad climber
Fresno, CA
Mar 13, 2014 - 09:09am PT
Letter sent. We stopped them from chopping bolts in 2010 and we can do it again.
kaholatingtong

Trad climber
Nevada City
Mar 13, 2014 - 09:15am PT
sent.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Mar 13, 2014 - 11:33am PT
Sent one, too. Isn't the Forest Service supposed to support reasonable multiple use of resources under their jurisdiction?
Manny

Social climber
tempe
Mar 13, 2014 - 12:08pm PT
Letter sent. I support climbing in wilderness. I do it all the time and have placed bolts in wilderness. I never heard a single complaint, not even in Christmas tree pass. Until now.
DesertRatExpeditions

Trad climber
Flagstaff, Arizona
Mar 13, 2014 - 12:10pm PT
Letter Sent.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Mar 13, 2014 - 12:32pm PT
*BUMP* Letter Sent
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 13, 2014 - 12:56pm PT
"Sent one, too. Isn't the Forest Service supposed to support reasonable multiple use of resources under their jurisdiction? "

A lot of this is just "Empire Building" by another federal bureaucracy that is looking to expand. They cut all the trees down and went looking for other things to manage. Best to tell your congressfolks to just cut their funding so that they can start to prioritize important things and drop stupid bullshit like this, but until that time, send letters.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire-building
Climberdude

Trad climber
Fresno, CA
Mar 13, 2014 - 04:31pm PT
Bump - already sent letter.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Mar 13, 2014 - 05:12pm PT
The US Forest Service is under the Department of Agriculture and has an entirely different mission than the National Park Service which is under the Department of the Interior.

From Wikipedia:
Spirit Mountain Wilderness Area is a 33,518-acre wilderness area located in the Newberry Mountains in Clark County, Nevada. It is managed by the Bureau of Land Management and the National Park Service. Most of the wilderness is located in the Lake Mead National Recreation Area. The area is adjacent to both the Nellis Wash Wilderness Area and the Bridge Canyon Wilderness Area.



This proposal is asinine and could set a dangerous precedent for climbing on public lands.
bpope

Trad climber
Sunnyvale, CA
Mar 13, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
bump for more letters
caughtinside

Social climber
Oakland, CA
Mar 13, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
sent mine.

Bump for more!
crunch

Social climber
CO
Mar 13, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
letter sent
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