How hard on the YDS scale can goats climb?


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San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 16, 2013 - 03:32pm PT

...Anyone have an informed estimate. Looking at some of the pics on the 'Goats.' thread and from other sources and it seems to me that in at least a few photos the goats were rocking 5.8 terrain. LOL.

Anyone taken a photo or seen a goat on top of a mountain or pinnacle in which the easiest route to the top would give us an idea for their range?

I know this is a ridiculous topic but I'm actually curious. B/c if it turns out they crank harder than I do (which wouldn't be saying too much) I'm thinking of trying to develop some artificial hooves for my next outing!
Ron Anderson

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Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 16, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
they do 12+ in the rubys,, alll the time.

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Millbrae, CA
Oct 16, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
This is a great question. It's at least 5.10!

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Fresno CA
Oct 16, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
Galen Rowell took a picture of a goat in the Cirque of the Unclimbables mantling past Galen's rappel anchors. 5.9+.


Social climber
Oct 16, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
I've found goat hair on a mid-fifth class mountain route.

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The state of confusion
Oct 16, 2013 - 04:28pm PT

. . . JE, I was going to refer to that. . .

and they don't use ropes!

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Fresno CA
Oct 16, 2013 - 04:34pm PT

Galen showed us slides of that in a talk in Berkeley in 1972 or 1973. He admitted that he chased it up the mountain, hoping it would do exactly what it did. The AAJ later published the picture, but not Galen's story of how he got the picture. It obviously made a rather strong impression on me.


San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
John - Thanks for that answer. That's wild! I'll have to try to track down a little more on the Rowell story. Thx again - Al
wayne w

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the nw
Oct 16, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
That Galen shot of the goat was in one of his Books.

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Salt Lake City
Oct 16, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
But they climb choss. JK I've seen them do some amazing stuff here in the Wasatch. As well as drop a rock on my head at the gate buttress. That smarted. I now wear a helmet.

Sport climber
Oct 16, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
Custer State Park just released some in the Needles area. Didn't take them long to start climbing...
Inner City

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East Bay
Oct 16, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
I bet these suckers can do solid 5.6 maybe 5.7....

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Seattle, WA
Oct 16, 2013 - 05:53pm PT

Just another data point.
5.9 on that alternate start to Outer Space on Snow Creek Wall in Leavenworth WA. And that was one of the kids that we didn't chase up the route. We were going to do the route, but we backed off because we were scared we would drive the kid off the ledge. It started raining shortly after that anyway.
Clint Cummins

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SF Bay area, CA
Oct 16, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
As I recall, Galen Rowell also noted goat skeletons at the base.
They don't have a magical protection against mistakes, either....

San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2013 - 06:26pm PT

The below link was sent to me by a friend this morning, which was the main motivator for starting this thread.

My comment back to that person was, 'Wow, pretty incredible, but I take it at least three of these goats died moments after these pics were taken.'

And Dave - 5.6 was my original guess, but I guess the bar is substantially higher! Pretty amazing stuff.

And it also just goes to show that 'going up' is instinctual after all...

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Monrovia, California
Oct 16, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
I've seen bighorns in Josh walk across slabs up by the Cowboy Crags (above and right of Saddle Rocks.) That had to be 5.8 terrain, and they were just strolling around all casual.

San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
Credit: Al_Smith

Exhibit A

Would love to know how he climbed out of that jam...

Sure looks pretty technical to me.

Mckinleyville, Ca
Oct 16, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
reaching all the olives
reaching all the olives
Credit: internet
looks partially shopped, though
Roger Breedlove

Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Oct 16, 2013 - 10:16pm PT
Well, yeah. Those cars on the ground!

The Granite State.
Oct 16, 2013 - 10:19pm PT

Gimme a sec, I saw some pretty astounding goat photos today. I'll try to upload them.
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