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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 22, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
Around Cathedral Peak
Rescue?
WBraun

climber
Jun 22, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
They are doing the search for the missing plane from late last year.

They will be again tomorrow ....
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
Thanks Werner
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 22, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
Missing plane....? Any weed on board...?
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Jun 22, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
road trip!
Stimbo

Trad climber
Crowley Lake
Jun 22, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
Let's go Hauter!
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jun 23, 2013 - 12:35am PT
Hey Werner, thanks for the update. I'm really glad to hear they are on this again, I was just wondering about it last week. If you could keep us updated I would really appreciate it.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 23, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Stimby...Watch me....! I got tet knee...!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 23, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
And what budget does this come out of? Funny that the gov would cut back on ATC
functions,that protect the living, only to spend untold thousands on looking for the long-deceased.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jun 23, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
Yeah. Having respect for dead people while finding closure for their families is unamerican. That money could have been used to build a fence or bomb a wedding or something useful.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 23, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
You mean "something usefull" like health care for the living instead of looking for rich dead peoples' bodies? I'm sure all those uninsured people waiting 8 hours to be triaged at the county hospital can really relate to flying around in their own airplane.
abrams

Sport climber
Jun 23, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
It is very difficult to electronically detect aluminum pieces on the
ground at a distance of more than a few inches.

Ask any guy walking the beach with a metal locator or a TSA wand person at
the airport.


Airborn systems like the JSTARS that look down at the ground can detect
thickly armored vehicles but have difficulty seeing an undamaged
stationary thin skin civilian vehicle made of typical lite weight
automotive steel body panels.


Aluminum wreckage from a small plane laying on the ground is another
order of magnitude harder to get a signal return from.

The best military terrain mapping radar can get 50 feet resolution but cannot tell the difference between boulders and an engine.

If the engine was 50 feet high and sitting out in the open on flat
land it would just be seen by the mapping radar as a bump.

Shredded small plane wreckage on the side of a mountain can be in small
pieces and laying between boulders, essentially in perfect stealth mode
configuration so look down radar systems designed to actually find
crashed aluminum planes just cannot 'see' it.


Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:45am PT
I've been doing a lot of wreck chasing over the last couple years, mostly old military sites. I can say from experience that in many cases, sometimes you won't see a wreck unless you are standing right on top of it. As someone said up thread, even satellite images (short of military sats) can be very inadequate foe locating a crash.

While I can understand some people's feelings about the cost of a search, I know that if it was a loved one of mine I would really appreciate being able to recover their body and bury them.

There's always the option of volunteering to do a search - that way then taxpayer wouldn't be footing the bill?
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jun 24, 2013 - 05:13am PT
what about Woody Guthrie?
Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Jun 24, 2013 - 08:47am PT
Reilly, those people waiting to get triage won't be turned away (they may to wait).
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jun 24, 2013 - 09:13am PT
I've done more downed aircraft recoveries than I care to remember...each one is different, with one exception.....they are rarely survivable.

These small planes can disintegrate to small pieces, or come down nearly intact.

The one pictuered below, on the southern flank of Mt. Gib, is a good example of that. In spite of being largely whole, both aboard were killed instantly. The passenger was ejected from centrifical force, and the pilot I had to cut out of the wreckage with my sawzall.

Credit: Cragman

Whether the wreckage is intact or in myriad pieces, they are VERY challenging to find. We searched for many days before this one was spotted on a wide open slope by a hiker moving over Mono Pass, who simply saw a glint of sunlight reflecting off of something high above him.

As has been posited up thread, closure for the families of the lost is important. Our motto here in Mono County is: "We will search anywhere, in any weather, for as long as it takes, for free."

Every human being deserves no less.
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Jun 24, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
Sat 6/22/13, around Rainbow Pool area of Tuolumne River (west of the park on Hwy 120), saw 4 emergency vehicles high speed and sirens toward the park (Ambulance, 2 police cars, fire dept Paramedic). I was wondering if there was a bad accident in the park, or an accident somewhere behind me.
klaus

Big Wall climber
Pacif*#ka Muthaf*#ka
Jun 24, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
In what general area do they think its at?
socialclimber

Trad climber
CA
Jun 24, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
Heard a helo on Sunday too, from the upper Olmstead area, very briefly...

Charles
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jun 24, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
Original thread is here, Klaus:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2017723/Small-plane-missing-in-Yosemite-near-North-Dome
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