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Footloose

Trad climber
Lake Tahoe
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 22, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
My guess is that the Dana Plateau overlooking 3rd Pillar, say, is now dry.

Or at least has some large dry areas. Given this last winter's conditions.

Wouldn't mind getting a first hand report, though.

Anyone know? Thanks.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jun 22, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
Dry and perfect.
Footloose

Trad climber
Lake Tahoe
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
Cragman, thanks.

By the way, have you ever seen those large rabbits
up there around the brink? Way larger than reg jacks. I've wondered
what they are. A guess might be white-tailed jacks?

Anyways hope to see them this season.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jun 22, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
I shot 'em all.....Ron is stuffin' 'em right now.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jun 22, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
^^^^^. With your firepower I'm surprised there was enough left to stuff. They must be mondo big!

Susan
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jun 22, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
Yeah Susan....they're sizable....

Credit: Cragman
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 23, 2013 - 12:22am PT
I just saw the marmots up there. Like Cragman said, it's good to go. Although, the weather conditions are looking a little dynamic for the next few days.
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jun 23, 2013 - 12:26am PT
two in the ass...


hey, buffalo bill
ec

climber
ca
Jun 23, 2013 - 12:29am PT
Weather is headed our way:

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=MTR&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1
Footloose

Trad climber
Lake Tahoe
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 23, 2013 - 01:38am PT
That's funny, Cragman. They are pretty big.
So I take it, I'm the only one who's seen them?

Jebus, what'd you climb? You were just there this last week?
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 23, 2013 - 01:47am PT
They are white-tailed jackrabbits. I study 'em - fascinating beasts. Big males can push 10lbs, so they're way bigger than black-tailed jacks. Here's an adult female road kill I found near Tioga Pass last weekend.
Credit: Willoughby

They turn white in winter, too.
Footloose

Trad climber
Lake Tahoe
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 23, 2013 - 01:53am PT
Will, perfect timing!

Indeed you came to mind when I saw them up there last summer, and again when I posted this evening when I speculated on what they might be.

Your pic looks spot on, thanks for confirming!

p.s. I've never seen such a one in the Carson Range up north here - despite all my mileage and time - eg around Duane Bliss Peak. Only black tails down lower, of course.

Did cross paths with a bear though, couple days ago, up Woodfords, Cloudburst Canyon. Exciting! :)


Edit to add:

Willoughby, very cool. Thanks. Neat to learn there are white-tails in my neighborhood, in Carson Range at at Jobs Sister. I'll keep a look out for em, vestiges and such.
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 23, 2013 - 02:06am PT
Happy to be of your service. Most folks have never heard of the species, so kudos to you, sir! I did a study here in Tahoe a few years ago, trying to confirm and document their distribution around the Tahoe basin. I'm still trying to fill in the gaps along the west shore, and have been expanding the work to include more DNA analyses (of all of our rabbits). Anyway, both the USFS-LTBMU and NDOW considered them extirpated from the region for decades, but I knew that was preposterous. I guess being a high-elevation, cryptic, nocturnal rabbit that only gets seen by skiers who assume they're snowshoe hares, means you occasionally don't get "documented" by the authorities for ... decades. But still, come on! Weird stubborness, and I don't know where it comes from. We've even had folks in high positions at NDOW refuse to believe that there were snowshoe hares at Tahoe. Anyway, we still got 'em. They're particularly thick around Carson Pass, but I found them hanging on to some surprisingly small patches of habitat in the Carson Range. Here are a few pics from my remote cameras, first a two-fer from the ridge between Mt. Rose and Church Peak, ~10,500':

starting to turn to their summer coat
starting to turn to their summer coat
Credit: Willoughby

And here's a comparison of size against a cottontail from about 10,000' on Job's Sister:

Credit: Willoughby

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 23, 2013 - 09:13am PT
I climbed the Regular Route of the 3rd Pillar on the 17th. You planning something different out there?

Anyway, it was very good to go at that time.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 23, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
Hey Will! Used to hunt those in Dog Valley during winter thinning projects- on the henesse pass road and summit 2 areas! They are tasty but a wee tough.
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 24, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Hey Ron, the beast in the first shot went to my friends' farm dogs (minus the head and hind feet for specimens, that is). Anyway, those dogs didn't seem to mind the flavor/toughness! You'd mentioned seeing them in Dog Valley in another thread. Seems so low!! I think I need to spend more time poking around there and on the surrounding peaks.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 24, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Yep they are all over the area from summit one on the main dog valley road over to summit 2 (heading for the lakes) and then onto the "loop road" which goes up the ridge between boca and Dog valley. And Verdi peak area..We used to drive that henesse pass rd inbetween summit 1 and 2 at night for them. I remember some BRUTES!
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 24, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
Good to know! So close to my home, yet I've barely explored that area at all. I road ride out to the end of the Boca-Stampede Rd all the time, I've cut a couple of Christmas trees in Dog Valley itself, and I do try to ski Lady Bug to Gold Ranch when I can, but really I've barely penetrated that whole area.

Sorry for the thread drift!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 24, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
i also saw a wolverine cross low on the dogvalley road - and went into a culvert. But they dont exist here according to some hehehe..
Greg Barnes

climber
Jun 24, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Cool, so are the "snowshoe hares" you see early season near Sonora Pass (like opening weekend, at night, still white) snowshoe hares or white-tail jackrabbits, or would you need to actually study them to figure out?

Also the "snowshoe hares" up in the White Mountains in summer - you can walk right up to them at night, lots near the gate on the road below the Barcroft lab - those might be white-tailed jackrabbits instead?

Thanks for the interesting thread drift...
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