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Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 17, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
This is the same text as my beta for Sunkist but I figured I'd post it here so that my points might be discussed if anyone cares to.

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Cheyne Lempe and I climbed this very good, mostly moderate route, in three days from the ground (with bags pre-hauled to Mammoth) recently.

We cleaned all of the tat off the route, using a 25 foot, 5 mil cord, to lower out with, hauled off a couple of cans and old water bottles and removed five adventure stealing heads, which we climbed past via clean gear.

Although the route is described as "moderate" I wouldn't suggest the route to climbers of moderate abilities. The route traverses a fair amount, climbing sideways, swinging sideways and has fairly awkward, but not difficult, free climbing on a few pitches. Moreover, someone could really ruin the second Headwall pitch by placing copperheads into it. Right now it's a beautiful, difficult A3+ or A4 beak pitch. Placing heads on it would be a real travesty.

As usual, the ST rack is more gear than you will ever use. I'd suggest cutting the pins by 1/3, taking no heads, and fewer cams overall.

I have to be snarky here, you don't need an 8 or 12" piece, just learn to free climb, it's really only 5.8.

The anchors on the route each have at least one modern, 3/8" bolt and no anchor is unsafe, but certainly antiquated.
The anchors there now suffer from a severe lack of planning. At one anchor there are four 1/4" bolts within a two foot span. If someone goes up there on a bolting mission, please, please, please, plan the anchors for hanging bags and portaledges from. My suggestion would be three 3/8" bolts, placed in a horizontal line, two feet apart, spanning a total of four feet.
Please, please, please, get a tuning fork from Greg at the ASCA or have one made. Don't go up there and fire in more bolts and make a bigger mess than there already is.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 17, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
odd to drill so close together. LOTS of faith in that granite NOT to have micro cracking with so many bolts in a tight locale.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 17, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
A lot of the anchors up there are really brainless, Ron, it's really sad to see.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jun 17, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
What do you mean about the tuning fork? This is a way to tell if a bolt is no good? Please explain.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 17, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
A tuning fork is what you use to remove 1/4" bolts with.

Simply, 1/4" bolts, although not nessessarly (i can never spell that and mangle it so badly that the spell checker can never guess it) bad, are outdated and at anchors at least, should be removed.

Credit: Mark Hudon

A couple of tuning forks and a beak being use to remove a long 1/4" bolt.
mucci

Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Jun 17, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
Very cool looking climb. Sideways thrutching and everything.

Can you describe this pitch a bit more Mark?

Right now it's a beautiful, difficult A3+ or A4 beak pitch


Were all of the placements on that pitch sustainable with beaking?

Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 17, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
It's a little groove that some very large heads would fill. Given that the route is three decades old and not beat to sh#t like the Shield, beaks, intelligently placed, will preserve its quality for a long time to come.

I would rather see people use a heavy hand with beaks, deepening and widening the crack, maybe eventually creating hand placed beaks or creative beak/nut combinations placements than have an ugly and no challenge ladder of heads.
benzo

Big Wall climber
tacoma wa.
Jun 17, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
thanks for the clean up efforts mark. Id rather be placing/standing on beaks than heads anyday.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
Cheyne's bolt replacement video

Bolt Replacement Video
Rocky IV

Social climber
Jun 21, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
the beak rack in the supertopo is accurate? going heavy on them might be a good idea? looking at your pictures has me pulling out the topos and plotting, perhaps next fall...
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Go with four each of those. Don't take doubles of any pins and you won't need any heads. Maybe take one of each in case one blows, although they all looked pretty solid. The A5 arch is the only place where they are really needed and it was all fixed.
Take a bolt kit and replace some bolts, and tuning forks to pull some.

Have fun.
WBraun

climber
Jun 21, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
Roger Brown human Hilti Bolt gun and master of the bolt replacement.

Roger is pure hard worker.

Bad ass .....
Lambone

Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
Sep 28, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
Thanks for the use of the running forks mark. I'd guess we removed about 12-14 old bolts. Some came out astoundingly easily!
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