Gun Deaths In USA, Since Newtown, Exceeds Iraq War

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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 13, 2013 - 08:29am PT
The number of gun deaths in the U.S. since the Newtown elementary school massacre has exceeded the total number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war.

According to a tally of gun deaths from Slate, the number of people killed since the Dec. 14 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary is now 4,499. The number of U.S. armed forces killed during the Iraq war was 4,409, according to the Defense Department.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/gun-deaths-since-newtown-now-surpass-number-of-americans-killed-in-iraq-20130530
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:32am PT
guns don't kill people, geez
dirtbag

climber
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:36am PT
Yeah, God kills people.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:36am PT
Are you counting all the people who killed themselves on purpose?

Are you counting the people whose killings were justified, like when a cop kills someone who needs killing?

Are you counting the people shot by FELONS, who are already barred from owning guns?
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:37am PT
The culture has to change.
rick d

climber
ol pueblo, az
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:45am PT
from the data sheet there are a fair number of self inflicted gunshot deaths.

I think that data needs to be drawn out into its own column for clarity.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:47am PT
details
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:48am PT
You know what you need?

What?

Killing.

Gun deaths are gun deaths. I don't know why you would want to exclude suicides when it is known suicides are much more likely to be completed with the aid of guns. I see a lot of knife and pill people at the hospital, not too many of the self-inflicted gun shots. Hell, I've seen more jumpers than them! I guess they are right about their demographic, we don't care about suicidally depressed people. We'll just, you know, erase their deaths out of this here column, pretend like they don't even figure into the whole gun death equation. Now that we have THAT tidied up...!

I'm sure this debate will wind up without the same several knuckleheads arguing ceaselessly though ;). Riiiigggght. Post count of one on this for me, we won't see any results with the mutual ball slapping society that is in charge here.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:50am PT
percentage of suicides might i ask? Percentage of GANG on GANG murders i will also ask? Percentage of legal or good shootings?? Nice yank for emotion type of article.,.
rick d

climber
ol pueblo, az
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:50am PT
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html

the download is near the bottom of top paragraph. Some of the links are dead FYI.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:51am PT
I recently watched a Vice episode about the gun culture of Chicago gangs. Scary stuff for sure. Strict Chicago gun laws have zero effect on the ability to obtain guns in the Chi town hood. Gun culture is the true problem.

I have just come to accept the fact that......




Im gonna die !
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:51am PT
Yeah, cars run so clean that you can't CO2 off yourself anymore and people are always looking at taking the easy way out. Bridges have barriers now, and even getting a pill prescription is much more difficult than it use to be.

To be, or not to be.....to bolt, or not to be....

OH, INCASE ANYONE MISSED THIS PART:
"The Slate data comes from crowdsourcing and warns that it is “necessarily incomplete.” "

I COULDN'T IMAGING CROWDSOUCING BEING UNRELIABLE.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:54am PT
Just what we need...

Another gun thread.

Thanks, Bruce.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 13, 2013 - 08:55am PT
Nice yank for emotion type of article.,.


So, there weren't actually all those people shot?

Sorry Randisi, but we're just so free that we've killed more of each other since December than the ENTIRE WAR in Iraq?

Ron, oops sorry, I forgot that gang deaths don't count. What a bunch of crap. Is it death by firearm or not?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:57am PT
cars and bars are far more a danger to yur average JOHN Q ....
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 13, 2013 - 08:58am PT
Breathing is fatal.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:58am PT
ive been wondering about that clothed boob thread thing
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 13, 2013 - 08:59am PT
There's about 68 accidental shootings in the list. Seems appropriate to include those in this list.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 13, 2013 - 09:03am PT
How many people died in car accidents during that same time period?

I'll bet it's more than 68.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 13, 2013 - 09:03am PT
Remove a LARGE population of 3rd world illegal people here and watch that number fall like a rock. Like in half or better.
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