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Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dr F, they didn't stay with the trail, that's the problem.
I hope they've got an idea about staying warm together and some way to make themselves visible to searchers.
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D'Wolf
climber
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Agree with Dr. F; seems odd to me, having lived in that area for 15 years (literally my back yard) and hiked the area myself. The area is just too small to get lost in. Additionally, the area is covered in dense chapparal and scrub - nearly impossible to leave a trail even if you wanted to. The area is also pretty benign - no real treacherous areas or steep cliffs to stumble off. Head downhill and you WILL encounter a heavily traveled paved road.
Lots of lion sightings in this area (including at least two attacks on humans). Hope they didn't encounter one.
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Lots of lion sightings in this area (including at least two attacks on humans). Hope they didn't encounter one.
unlikely that a mountain lion would attack two humans
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Onewhowalksonrocks
Mountain climber
portland, Maine
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They called the first night using a cell but the cops couldn't get a gps fix on them.
I am wondering if they are really there. Maybe their doing something else and did want to tell their parents.
We will see.....................
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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I am wondering if they are really there.
That's what I was thinking. It's just not that big of an area where two young people could stay lost and not be found for three days w/o intent or foul play.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Alien extraction, happens all the time. Aliens need humans to do the work they won't do.
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Yosemite, ca
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In that area, all you have to do is follow the setting sun West, and you'll find yourself in a neighborhood in about 30 minutes.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Two rescuers r now lost when they went for them. Bad situation hope all is found.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Cendoya was "dehydrated and very confused," Lt. Jason Park of the Orange County Sheriff's Department told The Times. Cendoya was found about half a mile from where the two had parked their vehicle.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2013 - 05:04am PT
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hey there say, johntp and all, i almost, after reading what folks had said, about how easy to 'get through' the place was, that perhaps they were not there, but, the phone call said they were, (unless, of course, as folks said, no one had definite proof)...
but wow, now, they have found one, i see, thank you kunlun_shan for sharing the link... i will go see how they are, etc...
perhaps they had some other kind of trouble?? unseen to us? follow the sun,
is very good advice and HAS worked for folks i know, too... in other cases...
sad to hear that they had such an awful time, :(
will go see the link now...
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Deekaid
climber
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Looks like they could use some more volunteers to help search.
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Every year we find people up to two weeks after they go missing. There is still time for a good outcome, and the weather is a big factor. 3 people were found on day 3 at Mt. Rainier in an awful blizzard. We found an elderly Cambodian woman after 5 days. Remember that people may be on the move and moving into the spot that was cleared by searchers who have moved on. Hopefully they are actively searching at night - when most lost people stay put. We have great success at night, but not all SAR teams work at night.
Hoping for the best.
When they let the scores of volunteers in, that's when I would get very worried. Fine search - looking for unresponsive subject.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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I'm with Seamstress on that one. Our SAR team searches day and night, but on night ops we run a very tightly controlled grid. It's too easy for a person to drop out of a group at night and get lost themselves, or get hurt, unless you are on top of your game and your people at all times. Running a team at night stresses the hell out of me.
Volunteers are awesome in a lot of cases, but as has already been seen with this search it can be a liability. Even two folks from SAR got lost according to the news. On the flip side, if you get a decent group that can walk a grid line, they can save SAR a lot of time by checking out lower probability or large open areas.
Really hoping for a good outcome on this one. Water in the area and survivable weather conditions are a big plus.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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So SAR team members don't carry GPS's or compasses and maps?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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They f*%#ing separated from one another?
Lord help us....
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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I know they went off the trail, but how far could they go? not far. Dr. F is right. I grew up in the OC and have hiked and biked in that area alot. You'd have to work pretty hard and suffer a fair bit to get far off trail. Just too much brush and poison oak. I'm not saying that a pair of young knuckleheads unfamiliar with the outdoors couldn't do it--clearly they did--but it strikes me as odd, especially now that only one of them wandered out. I'm sure there are lots of details they are not sharing.
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Barbarian
climber
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She's been found and is dehydrated but appears okay otherwise.
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Story is that she possibly has an ankle injury, and he was trying to get help. Neither were terribly coherent when found.
Lots of folks try to be heros by striking out to find help. It doesn't always work out well. If there is an active search, it is generally better to stay together.
One sheriff gave a gal holy hell for separating from her boyfriend on a hike and getting lost. I gave him holy hell fot that. I reminded him that girls and boys have fights, or some guys won't take no for an answer. Your job is to find them. Leave the parenting to their parents.
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