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JerryA
Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 18, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
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Horace Rumpole & I think that compared to the Olympic and UCI officials who are still making high salaries ,Lance and all of the riders who did the actual work are saints !
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jan 18, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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Ezra Ellis
Trad climber
WA, & NC & Idaho
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Jan 18, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
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Professional cycling is dead to me, ba humbug.
I thought he was a doper 10+ years ago.
What a jerk!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 18, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
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I don't think that Lance possesses many, if any, redeeming qualities, but I get a kick out of the pundits who say that the real victims are the competitors who got cheated out of the podium. And, pray tell, who are those cyclists? Consider that when Lance was stripped of his Tour titles no other competitors were given them in his place.
They ALL cheated.....professional cycling is a farce.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jan 18, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
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It makes you long for the days of true honest champions
...like Greg LeMond.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Jan 18, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
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Either everyone should Perf Enhance or everyone should not.
why don't they just let everyone? Or have two different class of racers?
they still have to work hard to perform at that level.
The playing field is the problem.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 18, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
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For it is he that allowed it all to happen and to continue for as long as it did.
A totally absurd contention.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 18, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
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The problem is creating an even playing field. Drug deception technology always seems to be ahead of drug detection technology.
If you had two classes, one for users and one for clean riders, the class for clean riders would become the most prestigious. That being the case, it is likely that someone would cheat and use drugs in order to win.
The only way to create an even playing field is to have no restrictions on drugs. It could be a devil's advocate sort of thing. The rider has to decide between powerful, but dangerous, performance enhancers- the more performance enhancing the more dangerous and, perhaps, life shortening.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Jan 18, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
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If the person who finishes last in a race is stripped of their finish because of drugs, does the person who finished next to last now get last place?
Jus' wonderin.
Susan
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 18, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
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Yes that is correct, provided that he/she doesn't fess up and lose it. If he does, then it's turtles all the way down.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 18, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
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You already answered it
Regardless the UCI and the rest of those that silently condoned LA and his actions
Yes Armstrong did prolong it.
Maybe Doc Johnson is to blame too
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Pebble Wrestling.... Badly lately.
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Jan 18, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
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Chief said Appears Lance's true abilities were exhibited in his first two TDF appearances and his very last.
'92 He finished 97 after DNFing after stage 12
'95 He finished 36
'09 He finished 23
His natural abilities never met the mark required to be a true Champion, did they now.
So obviously he could not complete with those doping until he started doping too. This is the point you miss in your tirades. All top level riders were doping in that period (and now most likely) or they were not at the top level.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 18, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
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You're right.....people like Lance only fess up when EVERY single other option has been expended.
Even his confession is only partly true and contains a lot of lies and half truths.
This is common with pathologically self-absorbed people.....could be why it's so commonplace with elite atheletes, and politicians.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 18, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
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Bingo
So obviously he could not complete with those doping until he started doping too.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Jan 18, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
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he problem is creating an even playing field. Drug deception technology always seems to be ahead of drug detection technology.
If you had two classes, one for users and one for clean riders, the class for clean riders would become the most prestigious. That being the case, it is likely that someone would cheat and use drugs in order to win.
The only way to create an even playing field is to have no restrictions on drugs. It could be a devil's advocate sort of thing. The rider has to decide between powerful, but dangerous, performance enhancers- the more performance enhancing the more dangerous and, perhaps, life shortening.
That's naive, Jim. It was some top cyclist, decades ago, using basic amphetamine-type speed, dying during a race that provoked the idea of drug-testing.
The temptation, the pressure, is too strong on young, impressionable athletes.
I think the drug testing is starting to get ahead of the dopers. Not by much. One of the things that caught Armstrong out was re-testing old urine samples with testing methods that did not exist when he supplied those samples. That's an open-ended threat for all current and future dopers.
Others may have doped, but Armstrong took it to a new level and in doing so has done enormous damage to his sport. I'm glad he never tried climbing
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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Jan 18, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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I think Lance and Greg Mortenson should hook up and form a new charity, "Looking for Mr. Gullible," something like that. Imagine what a powerhouse team they could make?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 18, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
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Not naive Crusher. If Lance and crew were using more drugs than everyone else, how is it that he never ONCE tested positive. That being the case, absolutely evey cyclist on the Tour is under suspicion......there is simply no way to know.
The Tour is such a prestigious event and so important to a cyclist's career the temptation to cheat must be enormous. More so because cyclists know that many (likely the majority) of their competitors are doing it and they don't want to be left at a disadvantange.
edit: Crusher, are you ABSOLUTELY SURE that Bradley Wiggins is clean?
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jan 18, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
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Se careful what you post here. Lance may be reading, and he doesn't take criticism lightly. Got a pink slip recently? Wonder who's pulling the stings. Found you rope soiled with acid? It could be payback time...
At least when a climber bolts his way up the A4 section the truth comes out eventually. lol
But I must confess, I've been known (or I should say, not known) to hang on gear surreptitiously mid crux. I'll have to give back my onsight awards.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jan 18, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
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Lance got molested when he was a little kid, and, in order to compensate for it and express his inner rage, he turned into a hyper, over-achieving endurance athlete that would go to any extreme to improve and win. Just the same kind of psychopathic personality you find so often in corporate America, except Lance went into professional sports.
But, my oh my, isn't LA starting to look old before his time, like he really trashed his core and is going to pay for it earlier than most? The vision and the price!
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