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crazyazid

climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 6, 2006 - 07:32am PT
Anyone have experience with these things? Anyway to keep them from coming back with specific stretches for the wrist or taping?
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Jun 6, 2006 - 07:42am PT
cut back on the stress that is causing the cyst and smash it with a bible. Seriously...deep friction massage can help reduce and breakup the cyst, but for sure, cut back on whatever is causing it. It's a sack full of fluid and the more stress to it the more it will tend to swell.
Good luck with it, hopefully it doesn't cause you too much discomfort. Don't blow it off and ignore it, it can lead to more serious conditions, especially in the wrist. Might not be a bad idea to get it checked out to make sure it is a cyst and not something more serious.
Peace
bachar

Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Jun 6, 2006 - 07:42am PT
I had one on my pinky finger once - it was attached to the tendon sheath. Didn't bother me until I pressed on it - like in a finger lock or grabbing a bucket. Then it felt like a needle being driven into my joint! I had it surgically removed and it went back to 'normal' in about two months.

Doc said it was pinched tissue that isolates itself into a little "ball" (cyst) because the body can't break it down by normal means. Don't know if all cysts are caused this way however....
dirtineye

Trad climber
the south
Jun 6, 2006 - 07:44am PT
YEp had a lot of em when I was a kid, landing wrongly on my hands when falling playing soccer.

Go to a doctor.

Get em drained.

Sometimes you get em cut out (hold off on that)

unless they cause you trouble, don't do anything.

Edit:
Whoa, lots of bad ideas there!!!

A ganglion cyst is full of liquid. sometime the fulid is thin, sometiems it is thick. dropping a big book in it is not really a good treatment, but if you rupture that sack holding the fluid, it wil be reabsorbed by the body over time. you may also do damage droping the book on yourself.


crazyazid

climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2006 - 07:45am PT
thanks for the responses. I actually did see a doctor last year and have surgery to remove it since it actually did cause a slight loss in wrist strength. However, a bit over a year later and its back right in the same spot. Argh!
dirtineye

Trad climber
the south
Jun 6, 2006 - 07:51am PT
Azid, they do that. they come back which is why my doctors prefered to drain them.

Draining is way better than surgery cause it is less invasive and no other stucture to ruin as in surgery.

SOme guy screws up on your wrist, or you get adhesions, that ain't good for clibming dude.

dirtbag

climber
Jun 6, 2006 - 07:54am PT
When you do get them drained, please post photos of the procedure and write a TR thread. I'd love to see it. You should also save the drained ooze for your grandkids. I've been saving my toenail clippings for that reason.
crazyazid

climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2006 - 07:54am PT
thanks for the advice.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 6, 2006 - 07:59am PT
Any time.
bachar

Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Jun 6, 2006 - 08:00am PT
Ater mine was removed I checked it out. It was like a tiny grain of rice and was hard like a rock crystal. It was totally attached to the tendon sheath so the Doc also had to ramove a piece of the sheath leaving a hole in it - which later filled in with scar tissue. Don't know if was technically considered a "ganglion cyst". He said it was a cyst however. weird thing it was...
dirtineye

Trad climber
the south
Jun 6, 2006 - 08:20am PT
John, cyst just means something your body encapsulates.

They can be full of fluid, puss, or tissue, and maybe other stuff.

Over time they can get shrink and really hard.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
St. Louis
Jun 6, 2006 - 09:46am PT
I've had one in my wrist for years. Got it weeding a garden. Lesson learned: no more weeding for me. (very convenient!) While I was too big a wuss to drop a book on it, I have stumbled and fallen a few times, and the result from catching my fall on the bend wrist crushed the cyst. Of course, it always came right back - even with no additional weeding or other activity to annoy it.

Now it's hard, I have less flexibility in my wrist (makes push ups hard and I have to use the 'handle' thingies to do them). Other than that, we are at a mutual cease fire. It doesn't grow or hurt and I don't try to crush it. Good luck.

BTW: sometimes that bump (now that it doesn't hurt anymore) is helpful in jams!
TimM

Trad climber
near Joshua Tree
Jun 6, 2006 - 09:49am PT
I had once of these at the base of my ring finger (on my palm side). The doctor that I went to did actually say take a large book and smash it. I did, it didn't really hurt, it went away and luckily it hasn't returned. Given that it tends to spread into the joint area, I'd prefer to always try this rather than attempt surgery. Hope this helps.
crazyazid

climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2006 - 09:57am PT
yeah, it makes pushups annoying for me...never thought about it helping in jams though...hmmm...
dirtineye

Trad climber
the south
Jun 6, 2006 - 10:00am PT
If you are going to book your cyst, better be sure it is not hardened or full of pus or hard tissue.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jun 6, 2006 - 10:32am PT
Ron is right, ganglion cysts use to be treated with a Bible, hence the nickname Bible Cysts, but according to this Aussie website:

Treatment options
Ganglion cysts used to be treated by slamming them with a heavy book such as a Bible - which explains the term 'Bible therapy'. This isn't a good idea, as you could cause further injury. Medical treatment options include: (see link)

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Cysts_ganglion_cysts?OpenDocument

When I was a kid that is how my doctor treated one that I had, with a bible, but I'd guess that modern medical convention rejects that method, though I never had problems after that.
Irisharehere

Trad climber
Gunks
Jun 6, 2006 - 10:37am PT
Well, there's no billing code for "smashing cyst with heavy book", so its kinda fallen out of favour..........

that, and the lawsuits that would ensue, from the broken fingers!
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Jun 6, 2006 - 10:45am PT
sebaceous cyst=soft in nature=smash with book or wall hammer, can't sue yourself for inflecting pain and/or injury, keep the phookin lawyers outa this!!!!
If you got a hard cyst in nature= check by doc.
PEACE
Lineman

Trad climber
Mariposa Ca
Jun 6, 2006 - 03:00pm PT
I had one on the back of my wrist,Had it sugicly removed
Two years later it was back,Smashed it with a bread board on a doctors advice,It changed shape instantly, dissapeared in a week.And it has not come back, 23 years now.
Ill opt for the smashing next time. Easier than the surgery.
Mark
woodcraft

Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
Jun 6, 2006 - 08:46pm PT
I also have one on my ring finger- from a cut that nicked the tendon. I had it operated on, and it came back after awhile, but not a big problem. The fluid that lubricates the tendon fills the bulge, and jells & hardens.

Lesson learned: be careful with broken toilets.
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