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Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
The coastal redwoods
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
I like them Finns, very smart, independent, hard drinkers. they have high school kids that volunteer as tour guides and they have badges with flags representing the languages they speak. these kids speak like 7, 8 languages. over achievers. helsinki also has europes biggest drunk tank.

and the moomins man, i had the books and watched the animated series. freaky stuff.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
Cool! I didn't know that

Here's something very cool and quite a bit more recent about Iceland. They fuked up big time like the rest of the world but seem to have made some radical and contrarian moves to fix it. from the Wiki Iceland financial crisis 2008 -2012:

Crisis resolution

Iceland's financial position has steadily improved since the crash. The economic contraction and rise in unemployment appear to have been arrested by late 2010 and with growth under way in mid 2011.[191] Three main factors have been important in this regard. First is the emergency legislation passed by the Icelandic parliament in October 2008. It served to minimise the impact of the financial crisis on the country. The Financial Supervisory Authority of Iceland used permission granted by the emergency legislation to take over the domestic operations of the three largest banks.[192] The much larger foreign operations of the banks, however, went into receivership.
A second important factor is the success of the IMF Stand-By-Arrangement in the country since November 2008. The SBA includes three pillars. The first pillar is a program of medium term fiscal consolidation, involving painful austerity measures and significant tax hikes. The result has been that central government debts have been stabilised at around 80–90 percent of GDP. A second pillar is the resurrection of a viable but sharply downsized domestic banking system on the ruins of its gargantuan international banking system which the government was unable to bail out. A third pillar is the enactment of capital controls and the work to gradually lift these to restore normal financial linkages with the outside world. An important result of the emergency legislation and the SBA is that the country has not been seriously affected by the European sovereign debt crisis from 2010. Despite a contentious debate with Britain and the Netherlands over the question of a state guarantee on the Icesave deposits of Landsbanki in these countries, credit default swaps on Icelandic sovereign debt have steadily declined from over 1000 points prior to the crash in 2008 to around 200 points in June 2011. The fact that the assets of the failed Landsbanki branches are now estimated to cover most of the depositor claims has had an influence to ease concerns over the situation.
Finally, the third major factor behind the resolution of the financial crisis was the decision by the government of Iceland to apply for membership in the EU in July 2009. While views on the feasibility of EU membership are quite mixed in Iceland, this action has served to enhance the credibility of the country on international financial markets. One sign of the success of the above efforts is the fact that the Icelandic government was successfully able to raise $1 billion with a bond issue on 9 June 2011. This development indicates that international investors have given the government and the new banking system, with two of the three biggest banks now in foreign hands, a clean bill of health.[193][194] The first two major measures were implemented by the government of Geir H. Haarde but also carried out by the government of Johanna Sigurdardottir, which then took the step to apply for EU membership.
By mid-2012 Iceland is regarded as one of Europe's recovery success stories. It has had two years of economic growth. Unemployment is down to 6.3% and Iceland is attracting immigrants to fill jobs. Currency devaluation has effectively reduced wages by 50% making exports more competitive and imports more expensive. Ten year government bonds are issued below 6%, lower than some of the PIIGS nations in the EU. Tryggvi Thor Herbertsson, a member of parliament, notes that adjustments via currency devaluations are less painful than government labor policies and negotiations. Nevertheless, while EU fervor has cooled the government continues to pursue membership.[195]

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:41pm PT

And a Finn organized and largely wrote the best operating system in the world: Lunix. I give Linus Torvalds credit for getting the OpenSource software movement going. I keep waiting for him and Dennis Ritchie (posthumously) to get the Nobel Prize for economics for changing the economic landscape of the world while nobody noticed.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
Feliz Indrpants Dagayum Olf Der Finlander dag hiel!!!!

Credit: survival


Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:54pm PT
They are tango fanatics, which always struck me as odd for a country not particularly known for passion or intimacy.

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
Unique language origins. Finno-ugric.

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
read Storm of War, a history of ww2 by Andrew Roberts...who knew the Finns kicked the shite out of the soviets early in the war?

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:38pm PT
I did, but thanks anyway George W JR.

The Granite State.
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
Why do Scandanavians seem to speak English really really well? Do Scandanavians languages lend themselves to a good accent,do Scandanavians just travel a lot, or is English taught from an early age?

Happy Independence Day, Finland.

Dec 6, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
Why do Scandanavians seem to speak English really really well? Do Scandanavians languages lend themselves to a good accent,do Scandanavians just travel a lot, or is English taught from an early age?

A lot of it actually has to do with the fact that they don't get any dubbed movies but watch everything in english with subtitles. (even on TV if i remember correctly) Unlike for example Germany, where people seem to think we need horrible german dubs, ja!

Sounds kinda odd, but I've heard this numerous times from different guys from scandinavia.

Sport climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:33pm PT
Finnish proverbs

•Ei kaikki kultaa mikä kiiltää eikä kaikki hopeata kuin mikä hohtaa.
•Translation: All that shines is not gold, nor is all silver that gleams.

•Ei kannata mennä merta edemmäs kalaan.
•Literal translation: "One should not go farther than the sea to fish."

•Ei savua ilman tulta.
•Translation: "There's no smoke without fire."

•Ei vahinko tule kello kaulassa.
•Literal translation: "An accident won't arrive with a bell on its neck."
•Translation: "Accidents happen unexpected."

•Ei vanha koira valetta hauku.'
•Idiomatic translation: ”An old dog barks not in vain.”

•Haukkuva koira ei pure.
•Translation: "A barking dog does not bite."

•Helposti saatu on helposti menetetty
•Translation: "What is acquired easily is lost easily"

•Isoja kaloja kannattaa pyytää vaikkei saisikaan.
•Translation: "Big fish are worth of fishing even if you don't catch one"

•"Joka menneitä muistelee, sitä tikulla silmään"
•Translation: "A poke in the eye for those, who dwell on the past"

•"Joka paljon lupaa, se vähän antaa"
•Translation: "Who promises a lot, gives a little"

•Kun menee sutta pakoon, tulee karhu vastaan.
•Literal translation: "When you flee from a wolf, you run into a bear."

•Lika maahan maidostakin.
•Idiomatic translation: "Too much of a thing is good for nothing."

•Maassa maan tavalla.
•Literal translation: "In a country according to its customs."

•Niin makaa, kuin petaa.
•Literal translation: "One sleeps like one makes his bed."
•Translation: "Actions have consequences."

•Niin metsä vastaa kuin sinne huudetaan.
•Literal translation: "The forest answers in the same way one shouts in it."

•"Oma apu paras apu."
•Literal translation: "Own help [is the] best help."
•Translation: "Helping yourself is the best way to help yourself."

•"On taottava silloin kun rauta on kuuma."
•Translation: "Iron must be forged when it is hot."

•"On vähäkin tyhjää parempi."
•Translation: "Little is better than nothing."

•"Paha saa palkkansa."
•Translation: "Evil will get its share(/pay)."

•"Parempi karvas totuus kuin makea valhe."
•Translation: "Better a bitter truth than a sweet lie."
•Swedish equivalent: "An honest 'no' is better than an insincere 'yes'."

•"Parempi pyy pivossa, kuin kymmenen oksalla."
•Literal translation: "Better one hazel grouse in the bag, than ten on the branch."

•Sitä niittää mitä kylvää
•Translation: "You reap what you sow"

•"Suu valehtelee, silmät puhuvat totta."
•Translation: "The mouth lies, but the eyes tell the truth."

•"Tyvestä puuhun noustaan"
•Translation: "A tree is climbed from its base."


Finns are known for their pragmatism.

Sport climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
Try diamonds instead, girl.

Raikkonen was once asked by a journalist why his car broke down and answered "I dunno, ask someone".

Another legendary Finn: Urho Kekkonen
Urho Kekkonen
Urho Kekkonen

And then a climber: Nalle Hukkataival Ninja Skills (8B+) - from 3:15
this just in

north fork
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:48pm PT
Kimi Raikkonen is probably the coolest person ever.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
Finland is a pretty interesting place. I dated a Finnish woman for about 4 yrs. and got to go back and visit when a friend of hers married a friend of mine. The people are very nice, but very, very reserved and, well, interesting...Lots of drunk people, which the culture really kind of enables, maybe because it's pretty prevalent.

Some are pretty outgoing and friendly, but most others appear to be terminally morose. Social events and bars are kind of wild because every stands around looking glum but at the end of the evening the women will approach a guy if she's interested in some after hours fun. Plus, I think it's probably the only country in the world where you can meet your girlfriend's dad for the first time and the next minute be sitting naked next to him in a sauna. It's a really odd dichotomy.

Ask any Finn about the Winter War (the Finnish assault on Russia at the start of WWII) and they'll tell you loads (in a terse Finnish way). It is way ballsy in the best sort of way war stories are. The general of that assault is even on the currency.

I had a great time visiting. The women in Helsinki are very attractive. Nice musically heritage. Then you get those long summer evenings where everyone is hanging out drinking beer or cider by the lake enjoying the fine weather and birches. It's pretty good.

Sport climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:12pm PT
The Winter War - Talvisota - in my view one of the two best war films ever made. The other one being Idi I Smotri.


Sport climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:17pm PT
And the drinking - no smoke without fire - here in a cartoon by Albert Engström
Andersson from Sweden: Don't you mix water in the cognac? <br/>
Nyström fr...
Andersson from Sweden: Don't you mix water in the cognac?
Nyström from Finland: Water in the cognac!?! I'm not a falsifier, am I?
Credit: Marlow

Dec 6, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
My ex-mother-in-law was German, she had one about God punishing the small things first, or something.

Die kleinen Sünden bestraft der liebe Gott sofort.

translates loosely to "small sins get punished immediately by god"

ususally said when somebody does something minor wrong and then hits his head on something a minute later or stuff like that... you get the idea.
It's not ment too serious.

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
This is a transplanted Finlander in my family, William Carlson. He is the son of my mom's uncle, therefore one of my cousins (I can't remember how to calculate which).

My grandparents emigrated from Finland at the end of the 1800's and my grandfather Jakob was planning to move the whole family back when he died from so-called miner's consumption. I coulda been a native (son).


The Granite State.
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:29pm PT
Lets discuss the second half of Lollis thread; 'And Other Countries'.

I like Panama. Great people, not too much hype, they run on the USD. Possibly one of the more slept on (underrated, to foreigners who read this) countries I've visited.

Sport climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
Donald: Kalevala?

Language: Runes?
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