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toadgas
Trad climber
los angeles
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Nov 15, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
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^^^^^^
it should be preserved for its "historic value"
or replaced with a Crescent and Star...libs tend to not harass Muslims
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 15, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
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The proposal is to sell 0.43 of an acre that the cross sits on.
That's a 136' X 136' square piece.
The lawsuit is stupid, but so is the petition.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 15, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
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What's wrong with simply leaving the goddamn cross alone? What's it hurting?
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Dave Kos
Trad climber
Temecula
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Nov 15, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
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The Access Fund should buy the whole park.
Then the climbing community can decide what to do.
We can have a perpetual argument about whether the cross should stay or go.
Who wants to start the thread?
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Dave Kos
Trad climber
Temecula
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Nov 15, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
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"goddamn cross"
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strangeday
Trad climber
Brea ca.
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Nov 15, 2012 - 01:47pm PT
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I'm surprised the cross is still there. figured a bunch of riverside meth heads would have taken it and sold it for scrap years ago.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 15, 2012 - 01:47pm PT
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^^^^
Yeah, that was a good catch.
I suspect the lawsuit will ultimately go nowhere, depending on how hard they respond to it. There's pretty good precedent for displays on that nature being accepted as "tradition", even if on an objective basis it might violate the Establishment Clause. They invoke Congress' new term with a prayer from a minister, which is accepted as a tradition exception. Here in Santa Monica they permit a Nativity display on the bluffs for the same reason--they've been doing it for so long that it's part of the city's traditional holiday display.
Also, on a more practical level, it's pretty easy to keep a nativity scene in storage. A lot harder to tear down a 40' cross. I doubt the plaintiffs are offering to cover that expense.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Nov 15, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
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Why, exactly, are they wanting to sell Rubidoux? Whose idea is that and who get the dough? And how much? And will public access be denied?
JL
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Nov 15, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
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Kind of pathetic. I'm pretty much an atheist, and strongly in favor of separation of church and state. But something that was first erected more than 100 years ago and that isn't regularly used in any kind of civil function should be left alone.
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neversummer
Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
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Nov 15, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
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What a bunch of tards....leave the history alone.
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Dave Kos
Trad climber
Temecula
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Nov 15, 2012 - 04:06pm PT
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Why, exactly, are they wanting to sell Rubidoux? Whose idea is that and who get the dough? And how much? And will public access be denied?
From what I can tell in the article it's the city's way of avoiding the controversy. Not their land, not their problem.
The city will get the dough. How much? Depends upon the outcome of the auction.
Public access denied? Possibly, but I would hope the city could attach some sort of easement to the sale.
Hopefully this whole thing will blow over. Although I'm an ACLU supporter and a strong believer in separation of church and state, I don't think this particular cross rises to the level of a genuine civil liberties issue. There are bigger fish to fry.
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Donald Thompson
Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
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Nov 15, 2012 - 05:02pm PT
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See what a couple of ex-commie ACLU lawyers can do with a lot of time on their hands and feeling their oats since the election (jackasses really like oats) .
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 15, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
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Be aware that signing a petition at change dot org will auto-create an account with them. They will then spam you with other petitions to sign. In order to stop the spam you have to go through their registration process (even though they auto-created the account) and then hunt down the obfuscated screen to delete your account. Really sleazy.
As an aside, Spider, could you please linkify that absurdly long url so it doesn't make the page 30" wide? ;-)
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2012 - 07:10pm PT
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Yeah, Sorry about that link. I tried the "share" link but it was crap.
True that you'll get requests to sign other petitions. I signed someone's from Colorado on here a couple of months ago. I get one every two weeks or so. You can unsubscribe.
I barely care about this but I thought those who climb there regularly might. A friend of mine is circulating the petition. He feels very strongly about keeping the land public.
http://mountainproject.com/v/mount-rubidoux/105924088
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 15, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
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Were talking a patch here smaller than many residential lots.
A 77' radius around the cross.
I don't think that would even encompass the Candlesticks.
Even if it did, what are they going to do, put a fence around it?
Tempest in a teapot.
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