Patrick Sawyer
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 11, 2012 - 11:28am PT
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Firstly, why didn't John Wayne (an American icon, and contrary to some a very accomplished and technical actor, and yes I am a fan, but not of his politics) and a couple of other stars not enlist in WW2, while the likes of Jimmy Stewart, Henry Fonda, Eddie Albert, David Niven, Denholm Elliot, Clark Gable and a number other actors/stars/celebrities/etc did, putting their careers on hold?
http://www.jodavidsmeyer.com/combat/military/actors_in_wwii.html
http://www.listal.com/list/war-heroes-big-screen-war
Likewise in the Korean War - Telly Savalas, James Garner, Michael Caine etc.
And of course those who served in Vietnam and indeed, people like Pat Tillman in recent conflicts.
And Ted Williams, both WW2 and Korea.
Of course, there are other nationalities beside US and British I have not mentioned.
And secondly, maybe I don't get it, but how in the world did that crap South Park make it past one season?
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locker
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Nov 11, 2012 - 11:30am PT
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John Waynes promo WAR films were considered important to the cause...
Maybe he justified not joining due to that???...
Good question that is pretty unlikely to get answered...
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2012 - 11:32am PT
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Point taken Locker, but he never saw active duty, to the best of my knowledge, or came under fire.
Of course there were those entertainers who performed duties towards the Allied cause, but you would think macho Wayne would have wanted to see frontline duty.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2012 - 11:43am PT
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Locker that is an interesting article that may explain certain things about John Wayne's psyche.
And yes, while there may be some Supertopians who are fans of the show, I think that South Part sucks big time and is probably the worst program/series to hit television. And yes, I have (tried) to watch the show a number of times to understand its appeal, but... no go. The animation is school kid, the jokes/barbs childish, the scriptwriting third rate, at best... wait a minute, no wonder so many Americans like it. What ten plus seasons? Weird.
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locker
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Nov 11, 2012 - 11:44am PT
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"I think that South Part sucks big time"...
DITTO!!!...
I personally have NEVER sat through an entire show...
Pretty much turn the channel the second I see it...
DUMB fuking show for sure!!!...(EDITED: I expect that like yourself, some here will totally disagree)
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2012 - 11:50am PT
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Will the 'talk/chat/whatever' shows like jeremy Kyle (Britain) and Steve Wilkos (US) are not far behind South Park.
At least Dr Phil has degrees in psychology. Kyle, ex-insurance salesman, Wilkos, ex-cop and Marine, perhaps a tad bit better qualified than Kyle.
Jennie often asks me, with my background in journalism, television, acting, why don't I do a talk show.
Heck look how it has made Oprah and Ellen, and others, rich.
I don't know, maybe something like Pat Talk and Chat Talk or Paddy is your psychotic Daddy, or Sawyer Says or Chatty Paddy...
or my favorite Chat with Pat
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BLUEBLOCR
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joshua tree
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Nov 11, 2012 - 11:57am PT
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Remember Hollywood is just an imitation of real life!
John Wayne's real name was Marion Morrison
And cartoons are just an imitation of that imitation
Which is usually a negative connotation.
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Jaybro
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Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 11, 2012 - 12:00pm PT
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My favorite of those guys is Somerset Maughm, who was a full-on Walther-packing Spy during WWI, and wrote about it, using the experiences in essays and short stories.
South Park, in my estimation, has had moments of brilliance worthy of Lenny Bruce. But it's been largely lame the last few seasons.
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Ron Anderson
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USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
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Nov 11, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
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Family guy cracks me up..
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Chaz
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greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 11, 2012 - 12:41pm PT
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Why is Beavis & Butthead rated "for mature audiences only" ?
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locker
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Nov 11, 2012 - 12:42pm PT
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Why is Beavis & Butthead rated "for mature audiences only" ?"...
For IDIOT adults that never got enough cartoons when they were younger???...
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Salamanizer
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The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Nov 11, 2012 - 12:53pm PT
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How did South Park make it 10 seasons?
Patrick, we now live in a era where the History Channel is made up of shows like Ice Road Truckers and Swamp People. And TLC, which used to stand for the Learning Channel (which now stands for The Lowest Common IMO) is made up of even worse shows like Honey Boo Boo, Toddlers & Tiaras and Bada Bing Brides. Shwos like Jersey Shore, the Kardashians and Desperate Housewives can last several, several seasons. and a frighteningly large percentage of people form their political opinions from bias comical media commentary shows like John Stewart.
In light of it all, South Park ain't half bad.
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Mimi
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Nov 11, 2012 - 12:56pm PT
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Supposedly, from one of his biographies, the government actually asked Hollywood and John Wayne to make propaganda war films instead of him serving. He wanted to serve. Not sure why the other big stars of that time didn't have this option too. Maybe one was enough and Wayne wasn't a pilot, which were in big demand. The same happened with my grandfather. He was told to stay home and keep the hardware and feedstore going to assist the farmers in the area instead.
South Park has put out some awesome social commentary for those with the cynical sense of humor to appreciate it.
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zBrown
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chingadero de chula vista
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Nov 11, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
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Good question that is pretty unlikely to get answered...
Bingo!
South Park is funnier than North Park and I rarely can watch either one all the way through an episode. Now Fluffy, he's funny.
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Norton
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Nov 11, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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Actually, the majority of the men who served in any of our wars, including WW2, Korea and Vietnam, never "saw" actual combat.
That majority of the Armed Forces served in all the backup and support roles:
anything from food procurement and preparation for the troops to naval, marine, air force and army field mechanics to keep all those war vehicles operative
the list is virtually endless for those that did serve but did not engage in actual combat
I don't see how it "fair" to criticize anyone, even a movie star, for not seeing combat while serving in the capacity their superior officers ordered them to serve within
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Reilly
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The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 11, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
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It is hard to deduce why someone 'avoids' serving his country in a time of
need without coming to selfishness and cowardice, wouldn't you say? Even
Charles 'I love Adolph' Lindbergh eventually served admirably.
South Park is for dolts.
Patrick, I would love to see your talk show. Would it be a patch on Graham Norton's? :-)
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mouse from merced
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The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 11, 2012 - 09:06pm PT
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Stone and Parker, you know there's a death penalty in Colorado, you scum.
Arch hypocrisy. I too wonder why he side-stepped the real action, which I never truly really relaized, but now you raise the question...
What films of worth did the Duke star in during the war?
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WBraun
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Nov 11, 2012 - 09:53pm PT
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John Wayne didn't enlist or get into the military because it wasn't his destiny.
Everyone is destined to go a certain way in their life.
We don't have full control .......
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mouse from merced
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The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 11, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
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In fact, WereNe'er, Truer Ne'er Were Muttered and your destiny just made you say that.
It doesn't bug me that Marion never served. Really, stop and think: for everyone who served, so many didn't, yet they may have acquitted themselves well, as was earlier explained. It's not truly ours to judge, and therefore, why speculate either? POINTLESS...
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