MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 10, 2011 - 04:29pm PT
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Steve "Shipoopoi" Schneider should be feeling the public shame. Not the BS circle jerk going on.
No apology will make up for the damage that has been done.
Only took you 51 years to be an adult. I was going to say, “to be a man” but that wouldn’t be accurate. Time will tell what kind of adult.
“Twenty-nine years ago, I did a bad thing, and I began to regret it the very next day.” A real man would not have done the deed.
Waiting 29 years to apologize is like repenting right before you die, means nothing.
Being young, angry, confused, jealous, drunk is no reason and no excuse for what you have done.
The 100 posts of praise are disgusting.
Very few see the real impact to Mark, Richard and climbing.
“What a huge fuking mess over a rock climb.” WB
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Dec 10, 2011 - 04:34pm PT
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I disagree. What is done is done, and what HAS BEEN done, iss that the person came forward to the parties concerned and apologized. They have forgiven him. That is really what matters.
He'll never be able to satisfy everybody, and you speak only for yourself and not those everybodies.
You may not like what you are witnessing, but that is beside the point. It isn't about you(and I don't mean that in a negative or aggressive way);.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 04:34pm PT
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SECOND response to an obvious troll!
To paraphrase Mark Smith's own statement on the matter, we are not defined by our past sins, but by the direction we take in the present.
Given that the direction we're taking on the subject right now is - for the first time in years - overwhelmingly positive, why try to steer it differently?
Have an internet hug.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Dec 10, 2011 - 04:35pm PT
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Oh well, If so, I have fallen for much more obvious ones!
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Dec 10, 2011 - 04:36pm PT
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Please don't feed the troll.
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ec
climber
ca
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Dec 10, 2011 - 04:38pm PT
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Praise?
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A5scott
Trad climber
Chicago
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Dec 10, 2011 - 04:39pm PT
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toadgas
Trad climber
los angeles
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Dec 10, 2011 - 04:48pm PT
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If I took a crap on someone's rope I'd wait a long time to confess too. Sort of embarrassing! But anyway, the WOS guys accepted the apology and praised him for it. So what now? Lawsuits? Cash settlements? Burning at the stake?
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ec
climber
ca
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Dec 10, 2011 - 04:49pm PT
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Not a troll...
Justified rebuttal to the 'circle jerk.'
Get real people, a narcissistic disorder ain't going to change with a confessional...
 ec
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 04:52pm PT
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So what now? Lawsuits? Cash settlements? Burning at the stake?
Ponies.
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toadgas
Trad climber
los angeles
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Dec 10, 2011 - 04:56pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
yeah, good thing the WOS guys are forgiving Christian-types.
SS, go forth and sin no more.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Dec 10, 2011 - 04:58pm PT
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Punishment is useless.
When someone commits a wrong, the solution is to make up the damage done, honestly and fully. There really is no other path to redemption.
It is up to the person who made the wrong to correctly identify what will make it right.
And I agree this post is a troll. I wasn't going to post to it but now that it's done. I had to say.
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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Dec 10, 2011 - 05:16pm PT
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“Forgiving and being forgiven are two names for the same thing. The important thing is that a discord has been resolved.” ~ C.S. Lewis
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 05:23pm PT
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“Forgiving and being forgiven are two names for the same thing. The important thing is that a discord has been resolved.” ~ C.S. Lewis
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Carson city Nev.
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Dec 10, 2011 - 05:24pm PT
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hhhmm, while this is a point of view, does attempting to pay the pentance for wrong doings equal out the actual doings? We need to look at each individual case, and in this case it was about some pooped on ropes and a few chopped bolts. HARDLY a "serious offense" as it were. And really, each and every one of us that has glammed onto any thing WOS to keep the mystery alive and thriving are as much to blame as any single "player" in that game. Perhaps apologies be owed universally from every "view point"? and dats my "thought" for the day lol!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 05:34pm PT
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I understand this thread. At what point do we draw the line between, "I'm sorry' is ok and convicting a confession? My immediate thought when I read the original confession was, would we give Hitler this much praise? Obviously a big extreme, but guilt is guilt, No?
Does the face that being a bully is usually a result of low self esteem make it ok? I don't think so, but I think that Steve did a big thing in making his apology public. There was no need to do that. He owes nothing to any of us other than Richard and Mark.
I stand behing my post on the original confession thread, but I also think this thread has its place.
Is Steve better than the other 2 for saying he was sorry first?
Prod.
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Jebus H Bomz
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 05:43pm PT
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Oh, dude, Hitler??!! It's just rock climbing and a stray turd. Clearly, the guy has felt shame over it for 30 years and manned up enough to admit his mistake. He gets more credit from me than any of the internet napoleons who would trump up his one admittedly crass act into a call for burnings at the stake.
MTucker is a baseless deviant who would do better judging his own public actions.
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stich
Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
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Dec 10, 2011 - 05:48pm PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 05:51pm PT
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