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Banquo

climber
Morgan Hill, CA (Mo' Hill)
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 8, 2011 - 09:37pm PT
Bowe Bergdahl of Sun Valley Idaho was captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2009. He is still held by them. I believe he is the only unaccounted for US military serviceman in Afghanistan.

There is evidence that he has joined the Taliban and some have condemned him for this.

I'd like to hear what people think about this guy.

It has always been my position to not second guess the man on the spot. Sometimes I take this position when I look back at times when I have backed off a climb on some peak somewhere - I was there and did what I did based on the situation. Looking at it from the comfort of my home it looks much different. Can we condemn this guy before we even talk to him?

I'd like to hear from anybody but particularly from vets or those close to vets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowe_R._Bergdahl

There is a lot on the internet including YouTube videos.
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Oct 8, 2011 - 10:01pm PT
Sounds like he's sol, otherwise Rambo and the black helos would have already rescued him.
Banquo

climber
Morgan Hill, CA (Mo' Hill)
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 8, 2011 - 11:00pm PT
So much for no man left behind eh?
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Jun 2, 2014 - 02:51pm PT
Philo? Ron?

Nothing? Really?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 2, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
We should hold off and see how the story develops.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jun 2, 2014 - 03:04pm PT
I'm shocked at the heat our President is taking over this. I don't see how he could've done anything else. Those 5 "high value" targets, are neutralized. Got fingerprints, that eye identification etc. They leave the Islamic world and they disappear.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 2, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
I'm not shocked at the heat....racist repubs (being redundant there) will jump at any opportunity to discreit Obama.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 2, 2014 - 03:10pm PT
He's going through some serious debriefing right now.......

I'm sure Ron would hang him for being a traitor.

But wait, he's a war theater vet, and Ron loves combat vets! What to do?

Ron hates it when the world isn't all black and whitey. But he's already made up his mind, so it's cool.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Jun 2, 2014 - 03:13pm PT
I agree with Donini on this one. Have heard both sides: SF forces and the Taliban respected each others movements. No tricks up anyone's sleeves.
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 2, 2014 - 03:28pm PT
If he was killed by the Taliban the Fox wingNuts would be calling for Obama's head. It's the same dreary, tired playbook: try to weaken the president by taking the opposite side on every single frickin' issue. All masterminded by Karl Rove and the $$ interests who want the keys to the kingdom back.

Screw all the right-wing, armchair quarterback's constantly crying and belly-aching like spoiled babies.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Jun 2, 2014 - 03:56pm PT
Just would wonder what would have happened if one or both were/are snatched. How they would respond? I am sure they would say no negotiation by any means.

Credit: lostinshanghai

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John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jun 2, 2014 - 04:06pm PT
If he was killed by the Taliban the Fox wingNuts would be calling for Obama's head. It's the same dreary, tired playbook: try to weaken the president by taking the opposite side on every single frickin' issue. All masterminded by Karl Rove and the $$ interests who want the keys to the kingdom back.

I suspect the ideological left likes to demonize Karl more than he is worth, but otherwise, I can't dispute any of this.

Can you imagine our President says no? WHAT! One of our troops isn't worth 5 towel heads? No, Obama was 100% correct. There's a punch list of things to do to get out of this money sucking war and this is among them. He was right to strike while the iron was hot.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 2, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
According to firsthand accounts from soldiers in his platoon, Bergdahl, while on guard duty, shed his weapons and walked off the observation post with nothing more than a compass, a knife, water, a digital camera and a diary.
At least six soldiers were killed in subsequent searches for Bergdahl, and many soldiers in his platoon said attacks seemed to increase against the United States in Paktika province in the days and weeks following his disappearance.
"Any of us would have died for him while he was with us, and then for him to just leave us like that, it was a very big betrayal," said former U.S. Army Sgt. Josh Korder, who has the name of three soldiers who died while searching for Bergdahl tatooed on his back.
Many of Bergdahl's fellow troops -- from the seven or so who knew him best in his squad to the larger group that made up the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division -- told CNN that they signed nondisclosure agreements agreeing to never share any information about Bergdahl's disappearance and the efforts to recapture him. Some were willing to dismiss that document in hopes that the truth would come out about a soldier who they now fear is being hailed as a hero, while the men who lost their lives looking for him are ignored.
"I don't think I could have continued to go on without being able to share with you and the people the true things that happened in this situation," Korder said Monday. "Because if you guys aren't made aware of it, it will just go on, and he'll be a hero, and nobody will be able to know the truth."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/

Apparently Obama is getting so desperate he'll do anything for a 1 or 2 point bump in his approvals. Seriously, seriously pathetic...and disgusting.
Worst President in living memory---and that's saying a lot.


The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep from atop the Hill
Jun 2, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
The five "Towel Heads" that were exchanged are some very very very bad dudes. Three of them are confirmed senior Taliban bomb/IED makers. Can only imagine how many "innocent" local (Women & Children) humans their IED's have killed. Let alone US and UN Servicemembers.

But of course, after their years spent in Gitmo, getting there shet tortured (oooops, forgot the US doesn't do that.....riiight), day in day out by the "Company" and getting tamed, they are just going to go back to Afghanistan and become simple goat herders and put their "jihadist" days behind them.


Wonderful.





Donini, Survival etal...


You guys can't be serious.









Unfkingbelievable!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 2, 2014 - 04:56pm PT
Yes bring him back,give him lousy VA health care,cut his veteran benefits,then make him face the Obamacare death panels.


You all,are always RIGHT.


EDIT:Do not think for one minute that,that might be your kid or relative,only think of yourself.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 2, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
Yes The Chief, I'm serious. But serious about what exactly? I didn't even commit to anything in particular for chrissake!

I'd say the company has a decent plan for keeping an eye on these individuals, up to and including their departure toward all those virgins in the sky. They're probably micro-chipped or some such thing.

So you would have left Bergdahl there to rot I suppose?


Edit for Ward: Worst president in living memory my ass.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 2, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
^^^^^^exactly
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jun 2, 2014 - 05:15pm PT
Glad the man is out.....war sucks

....racist repubs

Donni... I am surprised at your comment, always figgured you were more thoughtfull.

I'm sure Ron would hang him for being a traitor.

But wait, he's a war theater vet, and Ron loves combat vets! What to do?

Ron hates it when the world isn't all black and whitey. But he's already made up his mind, so it's cool.

Survival... you speak for others? Like you know what they will say???

Pretty lame.... IMHO


And The President had better hope and pray that NONE of those guys gets involved in any more mischief

EDIT... to make more clear.

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jun 2, 2014 - 05:18pm PT
"Leave no man behind" doesn't compromise. You want some nice fine print to go with that?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 2, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
Guyman, no not speaking for Ron, just riffing on his general vibe.

Yes, I'm sure the prez is hoping these guys don't get all nasty on us.

There's only 50,000 Taliban or so. These dudes are on the worry list to be sure.

But for anyone here to say that the Bergdahl kid is not worth swapping a few is the height of arrogance in my mind.

See it however you like. Sorry the president forgot to ask you.


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