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Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 26, 2011 - 08:47pm PT
Hey all,

I am starting to shop around for haul bags. I know Metolius has a good line, but I was thinking about buying a FISH because I prefer to help small companies when I can.

I'm not planning on doing a huge amount of wall routes. The smallest will probably be Moonlight Buttress, and the largest the Nose.

What I am looking for are recommendations for a good bag, and what size I should look into getting. Thanks!

Edit to add that I have looked at the reviews and stuff...would prefer a variety of views prior to making a purchase like this :)
Nohea

Trad climber
Sunny Aiea,Hi
Mar 26, 2011 - 09:21pm PT
I like my Fish and figured out that you don't have to sleep just keep moving and the summit comes sooner and you brought less with you.

GoFish!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 26, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
Fish is definitely the home team favorite!

No foreign slave market labor here!
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2011 - 09:41pm PT
Cool photos!

I saw the thread with the used one, but it said it was an older style bag and I think there have been some improvements since.

I think the Fish would be good for a first bag, and the size seems to be kinda bewteen the Metolius sizes which to me means it would wok for small and bigger walls depending on how I pack it. I know the seams can be sealed with urethane....and ideas to mod the entry to make it a bit more waterproof?
Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
Mar 26, 2011 - 10:56pm PT
For light duty you might as well try to pick up a used one. Failing that I've been quite happy with my Fish budget bag, and you can't go wrong with Russ' stuff. Some of the pricier bags have thicker material and a little better suspension, but Russ' are plenty bomber.

Bear in mind that probably 2/3 of all wall gear sees one trip or less, then gets relegated to "aging" in the Closet of Shame. Put the word out that you are looking, and there are plenty of deals to be found on new and near new gear.

If your goal is wall camping aim for a medium bag for you and your partner, as it really makes life nice to have two (organization, approach, and descent are all better with 2 bags). If you have week long monsters planned get the biggest bag you can, and hope your partner did the same.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2011 - 11:11pm PT
Thanks Moof and BASE for the input. Seems pretty heavy in favor of the Fish and that was my initial thought anyways. It never hurts to get some opinions from others though, especially as I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground about walls.

I will see if anyone has a used Deluxe for sale....if not 150 isnt exactly going to break my bank. I believe in getting good products first and not have to deal with them failing later.

I could probably drive to Josh and offer Russ a beer to drop it off at the bar and save the shipping charges lmao.

Thanks again all!
Brian

climber
California
Mar 26, 2011 - 11:26pm PT
Bear in mind that probably 2/3 of all wall gear sees one trip or less, then gets relegated to "aging" in the Closet of Shame.

Classic. Funny. Sad. All at once!

Brian
Captain...or Skully

climber
The Seas of Stone.
Mar 26, 2011 - 11:32pm PT
I have a fish bag. Reconstructed from 2 that had many miles upon their poor hides. It's freakin' bomber. Almost like new. Almost.
Can't go wrong with one of Russ' bags. Tuff stuff.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Mar 27, 2011 - 12:10am PT

There's only one REAL bag. . .


FISH!
ncrockclimber

climber
NC
Mar 27, 2011 - 06:31pm PT
Just out of curiosity, have you ever actually made a bag using the materials that you describe, and if yes have you ever used the bag on a wall. I would love to see pics of your homemade bags if you have them.
Sonic

Trad climber
Central Coast, California
Mar 27, 2011 - 08:26pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1340828&tn=0&mr=0

Scroll down towards the bottom for pic of RokJox haul bag
WBraun

climber
Mar 27, 2011 - 08:40pm PT
You make your own haul bag.

They're piss easy to make.

I made mine on my moms wimpy sewing machine.

Charlie Porter used it on the first ascent of the Shield ....

And then I bought a Fish haul bag after the homemade one finally wore out.

Fish is the BOMB!!!!
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Mar 27, 2011 - 08:50pm PT
I just finished a haul bag review and buying advice article (with links to this thread)

 Haul Bag Review

my favorite is the Metolius Half Dome Haul Bag

gave the Fish Deluxe the best buy. It was the bag I used my first season after borrowing it from Mark Melvin. Did maybe 10 walls and gave it back to mark.. i think it is still goin!

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Mar 27, 2011 - 08:51pm PT
Just a note regarding the so-called "rainproof" closures on other bags...it's complete bullsh#t.

Unless the bag is packed to precisely the right fullness, (sporting a slight overfill) water will pool in the top around the collar, and eventually pour right down the freakin' hole anyway. I've got a Metolius with a so-called weatherproof closure...Yer sh#t still gets wet, and you'd better have your sleeping bag in a drybag regardless what kinda haulbag you've got.

Get the Fish bag unless you plan on multi-day approaches and/or 10+mile approaches carrying the loaded bag. Std roadside wallin' (i.e. basically anything in the valley or Zion), go with the Fish.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2011 - 10:29pm PT
Thanks to everyone for chiming in!

I'm not really interested in making my own bag, I suck at sewing and I'm way too lazy to be that inventive :p

Chris, I did read your article in depth at the start of looking around, I just wanted to garner a few more opinions :)

WBraun, thanks for chiming in as always.

I have decided to go with the Fish Deluxe bag. I am currently looking for a "closet of shame" used one. I have time to look so not in a massive hurry, but if I can't find one I will hit Russ up.

Might buy a couple sets of his aiders too, half the price of the ones I was looking at.
Ricardo Carlos

Ice climber
Off center
Mar 27, 2011 - 11:15pm PT
Fish for the next haul bag gets my vote!
I have made a few hundred haul bags.
The first haul bag I ever made went up South Sea’s FA.
I drove to the meadows every morning and evening to make sure it held up as it had all the water in it.
I beefed up the bottoms after that.
So when I buy a haul bag it will be a Fish.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Mar 27, 2011 - 11:48pm PT
Maybe I'm telling tales way out of school but our boy Luke Malatesta here on ST is an emerging haul bag maker. Try PMing him.

You can see his stuff on this thread:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1340828&tn=0&mr=0
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