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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Jan 12, 2011 - 10:42pm PT
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What would you like to know Acer?
Right smack in the middle of all this fun and games.
I'll tell you straight up.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Jan 12, 2011 - 11:09pm PT
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views of present day Queen Creek..........
Subsidence or not, the mine is here to stay and is taking the ore one way or another. If the mine gets a yes from Congress, in 10 years the climbers will be removed from the Oak Flat area no matter which group you survey vote. Queen Creek is surrounded by tons of virgin rock with no road to get to it. Be friendly with the mine and open up new opportunities? Or totally oppose the mine and get the "private property/no trespassing" sign in your face with no future opportunities....I know the situation sucks but hmmm...
Marty Karabin
Queen Creek Coalition
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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2011 - 05:52am PT
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Queen creek survey 1-13-11
30 surveys taken
All anonymous
1. Support a Land Swap
a. Yes 8
b. No 20
c. No Answer 2
2. Support Concerned Climbers of Arizona
a. Yes 20
b. No 9
c. No Answer 1
3. Support Queen Creek Coalition
a. Yes 17
b. No 13
c. No Answer
4. Just don't know
a. Yes 3
b. No 14
c. No Answer 13
5. Just don’t care
a. Yes
b. No 20
c. No Answer 10
6. Support Mining
a. Yes 14
b. No 11
c. No Answer 5
7. Arizona Resident
a. Yes 28
b. No 1
c. No Answer 1
8. Climbed at Queen Creek
a. Yes – Lots 21
b. Yes – Little 7
c. No 2
d. No Answer 0
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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2011 - 04:22pm PT
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Queen creek survey 1-15-11
36 surveys taken
All anonymous
1. Support a Land Swap
a. Yes 9
b. No 25
c. No Answer 2
2. Support Concerned Climbers of Arizona
a. Yes 25
b. No 10
c. No Answer 1
3. Support Queen Creek Coalition
a. Yes 19
b. No 17
c. No Answer
4. Just don't know
a. Yes 3
b. No 19
c. No Answer 14
5. Just don’t care
a. Yes
b. No 25
c. No Answer 11
6. Support Mining
a. Yes 15
b. No 16
c. No Answer 5
7. Arizona Resident
a. Yes 33
b. No 2
c. No Answer 1
8. Climbed at Queen Creek
a. Yes – Lots 24
b. Yes – Little 8
c. No 4
d. No Answer 0
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Gal
Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
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Jan 15, 2011 - 05:10pm PT
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This is a big issue here in AZ, where we have two organizations to pick between. There is a rift amongst the climbing community, continuing debate, and obviously differing opinions. I have opposite views than some of my good friends, so it becomes like talking about religion... just don't bring it up because nobody's gonna change their mind. I understand what the two sides are saying, I just try not to say too much and let my letter writing, phone calls, and activism toward my opinion do the talking. Everyone feels passionate about their opinion, as do I. And at the very least, I feel certain that nobody wants to see Queen Creek become a huge crater (perhaps this is the common ground for everyone?).For me personally, it's better to try and stay informed and do what I can to help from a distance. I am sure glad others keep voicing their opinion though/and giving updates-As for the forums (MP) I find it informative, sometimes inflammatory, and sometimes the discourse goes down in flames. But, either way, to be apathetic is the lamest stand anyone can take (ah, perhaps another common ground for everyone!) In your survey, one question was hard to answer with yes/no-for instance-do I support mining? Not so simple as yes/no-because it depends on how it's done, who it's done by, and how it is gone about obtaining the land... I know a lot of climbers have strong opinions and have worked passionately to keep the land accessible and all the climbing that we love. Lots of people's free time has been spent on this issue, more than I have done, and those people are awesome and I bet it feels like a thankless frustrating job at times. I would like to know a bit more about what the access fund's stand is on things as it is now?
-Catherine
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Jan 15, 2011 - 07:33pm PT
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I agree with Gal, the survey is confusing. The mining question is impossible to answer, so is question 4: I don't know what, exactly?????
As far as this goes: "Subsidence or not, the mine is here to stay and is taking the ore one way or another." I thought this was clear from the get go....
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Jan 15, 2011 - 10:36pm PT
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bump for climbing
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Jan 15, 2011 - 11:17pm PT
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bump for climbing
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Acer
Big Wall climber
AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2011 - 08:22pm PT
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Queen creek survey 2-10-11
41 surveys taken
All anonymous
1. Support a Land Swap
a. Yes 9
b. No 30
c. No Answer 2
2. Support Concerned Climbers of Arizona
a. Yes 28
b. No 11
c. No Answer 2
3. Support Queen Creek Coalition
a. Yes 21
b. No 20
c. No Answer
4. Just don't know
a. Yes 3
b. No 21
c. No Answer 17
5. Just don’t care
a. Yes
b. No 28
c. No Answer 13
6. Support Mining
a. Yes 17
b. No 18
c. No Answer 6
7. Arizona Resident
a. Yes 37
b. No 3
c. No Answer 1
8. Climbed at Queen Creek
a. Yes – Lots 27
b. Yes – Little 10
c. No 4
d. No Answer 0
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lindajft
Trad climber
gilbert, az
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Mar 23, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
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Anyone watch the hearing Thursday on HR 687
The bill is back in the house, just as bad as before
Gosar stated on video that he has the endorsement of the local Queen Creek Coalition.
I wonder how much RCC gave them for that
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lindajft
Trad climber
gilbert, az
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Mar 23, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
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BTW Access Fund opposes the Southeast land swap as it is currently proposed without proper NEPA and protections of native, environmental and recreational interests.
Please check out AF news on Oak Flat and recent public statements
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