FortMental
Mountain climber
Albuquerque, NM
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 12, 2010 - 12:32pm PT
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From today's Times:
The Texas Board of Education on Friday voted to approve a social studies curriculum that will put a conservative stamp on history and economics textbooks, stressing the role of Christianity in American history......
Time to finally give Texas that money they wanted to use to put a fence around itself!
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Mar 12, 2010 - 12:36pm PT
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Why don't we just give it back to Mexico?
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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Mar 12, 2010 - 12:40pm PT
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good call studly!!!
just break it off from the bottom of the nation!!!
"uhm.. hey mexico.. here.. we don't really want this place anymore.....
Plus.. these people don't want to be part of america anyway.. so.. it's a win-win!!!"
That would be funny!!!
The impact christianity has had on the US... interesting...
just about every war, and the cutting of all public anything...
That pretty much sums it up in my book
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skychild
Trad climber
Birmingham, Alabama
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Mar 12, 2010 - 12:44pm PT
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The only thing I hate more than Texas is
Texans Just sayin Don
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Mar 12, 2010 - 12:47pm PT
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when put up the fence and give it over to Mexico will the village idiot be inside?
otherwise no deal....
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willie!!!!!
Trad climber
99827
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Mar 12, 2010 - 12:49pm PT
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I'm all for it! Could we move Austin to Pelican first?
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dktem
Trad climber
Temecula
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Mar 12, 2010 - 01:01pm PT
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From the article:
“I reject the notion by the left of a constitutional separation of church and state,” said David Bradley, a conservative from Beaumont who works in real estate. “I have $1,000 for the charity of your choice if you can find it in the Constitution.”
1st Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
Mr. Bradley, please send the check to the Access Fund or ASCA.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 12, 2010 - 01:07pm PT
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You're wrong.
You don't collect $1,000.
There is no state-established religion.
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dktem
Trad climber
Temecula
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Mar 12, 2010 - 01:28pm PT
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“I reject the notion by the left of a constitutional separation of church and state,” said David Bradley, a conservative from Beaumont who works in real estate. “I have $1,000 for the charity of your choice if you can find it in the Constitution.”
Trouble reading?
Or are you seriously attempting to argue that the Constitution does not call for a separation of church and state?
I'm pretty sure Mr. Bradley has never actually read his Constitution. He just likes to mention it when arguing his own personal ideas. It makes him sound more patriotic, more American. No one ever corrects him, because the people he hangs around with have never read it either.
There's a lot of that going around these days.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 12, 2010 - 01:34pm PT
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You're making a fantastic case for getting Government out of the school-business alltogether.
As long as it's run by the Government, the will of the majority will prevail.
Do you think the majority voted to Jesus-up the textbooks because they want their kids indoctrinated? No. It's because they want it taught to your kids.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Mar 12, 2010 - 02:20pm PT
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Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Mar 12, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
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It's odd to me that so many people seem to think that our country was founded on, and needs to return to, christian values. Here are a few of my favorite quotes from our founding fathers.
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
-Thomas Paine (Glenn Beck's homeboy)
"lighthouses are more helpful than Churches"
-Benjamin Franklin
"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
-John Adams
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
-James Madison
"I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."
-George Washington
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FortMental
Mountain climber
Albuquerque, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2010 - 02:48pm PT
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"It is one of the striking facts of American history that the American Revolution was led by men who were not very religious," wrote Gordon Wood in New York History. "At the best the Founding Fathers only passively believed in organized Christianity and at worst they scorned and ridiculed it." When asked why the Constitution did not mention God, Alexander Hamilton is said to have answered, "We forgot."
Do you think the majority voted to Jesus-up the textbooks because they want their kids indoctrinated? No. It's because they want it taught to your kids.
Yup...
Although, I thought that the point of having government in schools was to keep religion out....
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Mar 12, 2010 - 02:52pm PT
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thats an impressive list of quotes. If I'm not mistaken all of the above individuals are actually Masons. At war with Christianity since the time of ancient Egypt. (if that makes sense).
they even brag about it:
http://www.calodges.org/no406/FAMASONS.HTM
In any case the constitution guarantees freedom OF religion and a separation of church and state; but not "freedom FROM religion". The atheist cabal seem to conflate the two ideas.
Personally I think they need to teach more religion in public schools, but unfortunately the inevitable mixing of simple minded indoctrination with what could be broad intellectual examination of various traditions makes it problematic.
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Dingus Milktoast
Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
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Mar 12, 2010 - 02:54pm PT
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Oh jesus christ they're coming out of the woodworks now!
Its like a rush limbaugh laugh track.
DMT
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weschrist
Gym climber
left sac
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Mar 12, 2010 - 02:55pm PT
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Keep the western tip... send the rest back.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Mar 12, 2010 - 02:59pm PT
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Real live/life Christianity is just that ..... following jesus. A nation may have/had it roots in Christ following, but that doesn't make it a forever happening.
Just hanging out at home on this beautiful Friday getting the casa in order for the Woodson BBQ and hilarious slanderfest next Saturday. Cheers, lynnie
Edit: Read "crazy love" by Francis Chan....it's guarenteed to rock Yo world. :D
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 12, 2010 - 03:01pm PT
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If I read the OP correctly, he's saying that as a supposedly (to some) Christian nation, the USA is damned. Hmmm, need to think about that one.
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Mar 12, 2010 - 03:08pm PT
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Do you think the majority voted to Jesus-up the textbooks because they want their kids indoctrinated? No. It's because they want it taught to your kids.
Thats pretty messed up. I mean what gives them the right? I say screw off. All that they are doing is making me want to teach my kids to disbelieve. "See Kids, thats what you can turn into if you don't disbelieve. Someone who thinks they know everything yet cant offer a damn lick of proof."
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 12, 2010 - 03:32pm PT
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Tough.
That's what you get when you surrender your responsibilities over to the Government. Others get to make what used to be your decisions for you.
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