Portaledge Reviews - should I add more?

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Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 6, 2010 - 02:45pm PT
I just added some portaledge and rain fly reviews:

Black Diamond Simple Cliff Cabana Double Fly
Black Diamond Deluxe Cliff Cabana Double Fly
Black Diamond Cliff Cabana Double Portaledge

These have not been to the copy editor yet so excuse the mispelin.

But i wanted to post these now to get feedback and start getting some reviews. Please post reviews if you have used these.

Now to my question:

I have not used the following ledges so I can't review them:
Fish Double Whammy Ledge
or
The Metolius Bomb Shelter

But i could create pages on the site so that you could post your own reviews? Would this be useful and would you guys post your own reviews? Or should I just wait till I actually use them and then add them to the site?

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Feb 6, 2010 - 02:47pm PT
No FISH ledges????

I'd add more, even if they're not FISH. Other companies need to be represented, otherwise it's a BD 'commercial'.
karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Feb 6, 2010 - 03:00pm PT
Hi chris. Please put up a fish ledge review page and a metolius. I'm looking into buying a ledge soon and the bd is prob too spendy.
Kalen
mongrel

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Feb 6, 2010 - 03:11pm PT
Here's another vote for the gear review pages to include all the main, obvious options a prospective gear purchaser might be considering. What's the rush? Although the beauty of the internet is that pages can be updated, in reality it doesn't happen enough. So I'd say, wait until a really good thorough review can be produced, then put it up. Maybe have a "pre-review" where you identify a couple of brands/models of something, say ledges, and ask for comments from those who have used them (preferably a lot, or have also used different ones), and suggestions of other ones that ought to be included, and make sure to get them in there if a lot of people suggest.

So, for ledges, it seems useless not to have BD, Metolius, and Fish all equally represented. Cost, weight, several significant design differences that people might care about. The gear sling and harness reviews, in my view, are really flawed not to include Misty Mountain. I only have one minimalist, old piece of their gear but it's ace, and people who have their harnesses seem to really love them. They're not in the fixed location stores, all the more reason to get them up there compared with the more widely known brands.

Give it time until you can make a review more evenly representative, or try the pre-review idea.
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2010 - 03:21pm PT
good suggestions. We have a "pre review" with our "first look review." But for first look review, i only post them if i have used the product a little. In the case of the fish and metolius ledges, i have not used them at all so it would be a "before a first look review." but so far sound like folks wouldn't mind a place to post their own reviews on these products
bmacd

Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
Feb 6, 2010 - 04:07pm PT
At 829 USD for a Fish double with fly which costs 80 USD more than a Fish single with fly. Fish econo single ledge 269 USD no fly. Great pricing ...

Maybe let someone submit a Fish review and a Metolius review to you Chris, for posting

What about wall ropes and haul lines reviews too ?
Prod

Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
Feb 6, 2010 - 05:43pm PT
My feeling is that all available ledges/ products should be represented. Especially the little guys, Fish and another guy who has posted about his new design. Can't remember his or his products nome unfortunately.

Cheers,

Prod.
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
شقوق واس
Feb 6, 2010 - 05:46pm PT
I use an A5, but many of my partner have run Fish ledges.
Fish ledges are pretty kick azz, IMHO.
Good stuff!
Please add more....Represent!
groove on, Chris. Thanks.
Slakkey

Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
Feb 6, 2010 - 06:06pm PT
Anyone use one of the Fish econo single ledges? Could be the ticket for fast and light. I agree that no ledge review is complete without a Fish review. Never used a Metolius Ledge but agree the BD ones are on the heavy side.
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
I just added in the Metolius Bomb Shelter Double Ledge and will add in the Fish Double either tonight or tomorrow.

I don't have any photos of either in action, so if you have any, please post them to this thread if you want them in the review.

Thanks again for writing great user reviews. I am psyched to see what experiences folks have had with this ledges. Just look for the handy button below at the bottom of each gear review

Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2010 - 09:30pm PT
I just added the Fish Double Whammy Portaledge

Please post your reviews! PTPP, where you at?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Feb 6, 2010 - 09:35pm PT
Chris, you run a good shop! How many others ask for user input????

Rock on, C-Mac!
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
شقوق واس
Feb 6, 2010 - 09:36pm PT
My ledge is extinct. It works great, though.
Slakkey

Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
Feb 6, 2010 - 09:46pm PT
Skully those A5 Ledges rocked. Only thing close is the Fish Ledge
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
شقوق واس
Feb 6, 2010 - 09:47pm PT
Aye, I concur.

Viva Le Russ!
mucci

Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Feb 6, 2010 - 10:45pm PT
A5 man, you can still get em on the flea bay. Or those TNF A5 post Duecey inspired, You can still get new ones out there.

Just saying, A5 or Fish, period.

I had a metolius double with the jungus folding cross arms go totally limp on me. The ledge has to be put together on the ground correctly otherwise.....Your sleeping in slings.

Can't beat the tube style. IMHO.
Slakkey

Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
Feb 7, 2010 - 12:13pm PT
The fact is that unlike reviewing cams, stoppers, belay devices, shoes etc. when it comes to Portaledges there are not many choices. So any review on ledges is pretty limited. The Fish Ledges IMO are everything a Ledge should be however and for good reason Russ can only produce so many Ledges a year so many climbers are stuck with basically 2 choices both of which have their downsides not to mention you add a fly are much more expensive. So any Ledge review could be seen as pretty one sided no matter if it is Chris or anyone else reviewing this particular piece of gear.
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2010 - 02:00pm PT
Those are some great comments up top. It would be great if some of those comments were elaborated on a little and were posted on the review page. For example, here is the direct link to the Double Whammy comment page
deuce4

climber
Hobart, Australia
Feb 7, 2010 - 02:03pm PT
I was looking for a few of the other portaledge makers on the internet, there's a few other home shops out there, but only came upon this:
http://www.faqs.org/rulings/rulings2006NYR03141.html


Jingy

Social climber
Nowhere
Feb 7, 2010 - 02:11pm PT
This just about says it all for me...

"This is the lightest and least expensive portaledge on the market. It is also the longest selling portaledge, having made its debut on Yosemite's big walls in the mid 80s. The ledges are made to order by Russ Walling, an experienced Yosemite big wall climber."

Strangely enough.. I think we all know which ledge this speaks of.....

Thanks Chris, for yet another great addition to the site.
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