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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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I may be able to help...be advised.
EDIT: I have a complete 3-man 3-season Coleman tent.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Chris, maybe a direct link/address to send the gear to is better. I'll mail it, they can figure out how to use it.
I find it regrettable that these as#@&%es lay stipulations on quality of gear.
You want rain pro or not? You should accept everything and take it gladly. Work it out from there.
I know it's not your rules. People need gear fast! Just send the sh#t as long it's impermeable to rain!!!!!
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tooth
Trad climber
The Best Place On Earth
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Bump!
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enjoimx
Big Wall climber
SLO Cal
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"I find it regrettable that these as#@&%es lay stipulations on quality of gear"
You do realize that without stipulations, people would send them TRASH, just to get rid of it. I worked briefly at a thrift store, and you wouldnt believe the crap we got, most of which was totally unusable. Now a thrift store is fine, we could get rid of it, we had a big dumpster, but this RELIEF effort, who is donating their time and volunteers, probably has better things to do than sort through a bunch of trash.
If you want to give gear to a charity, the decent thing to do is give usable, decent quality gear that volunteers dont have to repair before sending to HAITI.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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bump for an important cause
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, ...just a bump....
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Bumpy road for those people in Haiti.
Here's an idea - What about doing a Supertopo Pool of Funds and buying a couple tents to send over? Perhaps one of us Supertopians owns a gear shop and they could be the recipient of funds/take care of shipping the tent(s) to the address above?
Just a though - perhaps some discussion can ensue?
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tooth
Trad climber
The Best Place On Earth
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Actually, SEND tents.
I'm with Laila and her aid group on the ground, and we know what we want, will use it again this month.
We just got 23 huge boxes of supplies from fellow physicians/dentists here in BC/WA to take down next week. Thanks guys!
(I read the article, thanks for posting up one armchair theorist's views from your armchair. Read my TR from our recent pre-earthquake trip if you want, but the article doesn't really apply here - theoretical ideas are good and all, but continuing on-the-ground action works even better)
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Mattq331
Mountain climber
Superior/Boulder/UK
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UPDATED: I admit that the following comments are wrong, and based on a lack of understanding of the specific issues in Haiti. After subsequent research, I discovered that there is a genuine need for these tents.
This all strikes me, quite frankly, as pretty dumb.
I cannot for the life of me see how a myriad of different tents, in varying degrees of completeness, is better than just money.
I know how hard it can be to work out one of my own tents when I haven't used it for months or years. Why anyone would want a variety of used tents, vs. money to buy a standard variety of tent just amazes me.
Some people in Denver were collecting tents on a street corner soon after the disaster - I wonder how many of those tents were just junk, and even those which could be used are now littering the floor of a well-meaning, but misguided individual's garage.
Send money, screw tents, IMHO.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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The people have NOTHING for shelter. And they need shelter. I'm sure they can find ways to get the damned tents set up even if they aren't out-of-the-box perfect.
Send money for SURE! Especially if you feel that is the best way to help. But don't try to undermine the efforts of people (who actually do have experience in disaster relief) working to aid these people.
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tooth
Trad climber
The Best Place On Earth
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Mattq31
Join me in Haiti please. Then do what you can with a well-organized group that does this sort of thing full-time and things won't 'seem' or 'appear' anymore. You will KNOW how you can be of service.
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seankenny
Trad climber
London, England
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I'm sure you guys are doing some great work out there, but the argument for sending money not equipment comes from specialists in delivering programmes on the ground. The link I posted was not to an "armchair theorist" but from an aid specialist who writes:
"I’ve been in charge of programs in East Africa, Central Asia, and the Middle East... The biggest portfolio I ever had was about fifty million dollars, and the most fun I ever had was running a country program in Turkmenistan."
Let's say you send three tents in varying states of (dis)repair. How do you decide who gets the shitty one? Might not you be exacerbating social tensions and divisions that were there long before you arrived and will simmer long after you've left? Aid agencies - and here I must declare an interest, as I work for one - have often worked in these areas for many years and know the place well.
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saa
climber
not much of a
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Feb 10, 2010 - 03:28pm PT
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Answer to:
Feb 6, 2010 - 07:28pm PT
This all strikes me, quite frankly, as pretty dumb.
I cannot for the life of me see how a myriad of different tents, in varying degrees of completeness, is better than just money.
I know how hard it can be to work out one of my own tents when I haven't used it for months or years. Why anyone would want a variety of used tents, vs. money to buy a standard variety of tent just amazes me.
Some people in Denver were collecting tents on a street corner soon after the disaster - I wonder how many of those tents were just junk, and even those which could be used are now littering the floor of a well-meaning, but misguided individual's garage.
Send money, screw tents, IMHO.
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Gosh Dude: just order a tent online and have it delivered to address at top of this link. They get a tent, you give $$. Simple enough? Or help some other way you like better. Or don't help and don't whine.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Feb 10, 2010 - 04:45pm PT
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I sent 2 tents directly from http://www.campmor.com. They have a LOT of styles to choose from, in various price ranges. I went for a simple design that looked easy to figure out the set up, and also 5-person.
If a person has qualms about a project, then they should pass. There are opportunities to help others ev-er-ee-where. So many that you really DO have to say no to some. Unless you are really pretty rich, and then the big cats will come asking anyway, so no matter - you're still in the same boat!
Give what you can, where you can, and without strings attached(though you should remember to include cord to tie down any tents you send to the Op's project, so the wind doesn't blow them away....)
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Mattq331
Mountain climber
Superior/Boulder/UK
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Feb 10, 2010 - 07:19pm PT
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Mea culpa - I was wrong. Original post changed to note this.
Thanks.
Mattq331
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