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David Cummings
Trad climber
CO
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 6, 2009 - 12:07pm PT
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I have had these slip on my a few times. Anyone else had this problem?
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David Wilson
climber
CA
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yes, i am getting rid of my pair. i like to lead with my right jug, but my right nforce ascender, even brand new, yielded an occasional disconcerting 1" slip. forced me to lead with my left while cursing those ascenders. they are a case of complete over design IMO, adding more parts and moving parts where none are needed. petzl is the way to go i hear.
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Prod
Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
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Nothing like a 1" heart atack. I have Patzl's and yellow Jumars. Neither have this problem. I like the Jumars better, but have no real imperiacal reason as to why.
Prod.
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John Mac
Trad climber
Littleton, CO
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Thanks for the feedback. I need to replace my old clamps and I'll stick with Petzl.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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I like the CMI ultra ascenders. Are these even made anymore?
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climbrunride
Sport climber
Durango, CO
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I'm with Gunkie on the CMI Ultracenders - my favorite. They're about the size of Jumars, but have better ergonomics. They are stronger too, but that hopefully NEVER come into play.
I can see where those with big meaty paws would prefer the Petzls.
But those BD things??? I like BD, their people and most of their products, but I just don't see the point, except to say, "Look how cool these look! They have more pivots than a FS mountain bike. Look! Cool, huh?"
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David Wilson
climber
CA
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coz, ran into scott stowe at the crags last week. he told me he had personally witnessed his client's jumars ( no idea what brand ) popping off the rope 5 times over the years. all were while following traverses and incorrectly side loading the leading jug. this was despite a lot of careful instruction he gives them on that specific issue. it's never happened to me, but it highlighted for me how easy it really is to pop one off....
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David Wilson
climber
CA
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well, to continue to rag on those nforce jugs, i also need to say that the mechanism for disengaging the rope is one of the least intuitive i've seen. three days in and it still felt awkward, far inferior to the old yellows and inferior to the current petzls as well - we done yet?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Wow, I didn't know all of this. Thanks for sharing it.
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wayne w
Trad climber
the nw
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Clipping a biner through the top hole of your jug outside the rope is a bit of a hassle when you have to remove/replace it. But it will keep the jug from jumping off of the rope. Sounds like BD should include two free biners with every pair of their jugs for this very purpose..
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kent
Trad climber
SLC, Ut
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I've used my BD ascenders on over 50 pitches and I've never had them come off of the rope. I really dig the release mechanism which can be activated by pushing down on the top of the jug. Quick and easy to move with them.
I have no experience with other jumars however...
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David Cummings
Trad climber
CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2009 - 05:23pm PT
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It is a shame that people seem to be having the same problem I did. I would consider myself a BD snob and have only had good luck with their stuff. This is the first time I don't like something that BD makes.
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Don't let go
Trad climber
Yorba Linda, CA
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I just ordered a pair of BD's from REI. I haven't picked them up yet. Can I return them if I don't use them? I was all excited to get them on sale, but after hearing all of these horror stories I am getting nervous. Can I return them if I don't use them? I have never jugged a line before and I don't know if that will cause the BD's to work more to my advantage or disadvantage.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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If you ordered them at REI you can return them even if you used them; but I think they are obliged to trash them - kind of a waste (or some dirtbag employee sneaks off with them. ha) . If you haven't picked them up it shouldn't be a problem.
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David Cummings
Trad climber
CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2009 - 07:36pm PT
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REI takes everything back, but join the anti-REI movement, support your local small gear shop!
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WBraun
climber
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REI takes everything back
Why's that?
Nothing in their store even works ....?
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Ben Emery
Trad climber
Bay Area
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When I first started using the nForce ascenders I also noticed a tendency for the lead/right ascender to slip just a fraction when I weighted it before it caught (and yes, this did lead to a few jumps in my pulse rate).
With more use I've stopped noticing this; I think I've (more or less unconsciously) adapted my jugging to include a 1/4 second pause between pushing it up the rope and weighting it, which seems to help it catch (?)
I certainly haven't had any problems with them disengaging from the rope (though I always have a biner through the top hole) and I don't think they're dangerous per se. I haven't used the petzls at all, so I'm not in a position to compare them, but I'm not so unhappy with the BDs that I'm about to run out and swap them.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
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I thought long and hard before replacing my jugs. I eventually went with BD and have been pleased. As with any new piece of gear, there is a learning curve and some new rules of the road for safety, etc. They are a bit more "techie" so I would not be inclined to put them in the hands of a first-time jug-or-not.
Are they dangerous? I think not. People were afraid of Friends at first since they would rotate but we all came to understand how best to use them and what to accept as normal differences from passive pro.
Let's hear from Metcalf and BD if they have had too many complaints. I forwarded the thread to them today.
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