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We compare the two top ascenders, the Black Diamond nForce and the Petzl Ascension. Both work well and each one excelled at different things. Both made ascending ropes not just tolerable, but kinda fun.

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The Black Diamond nForce (left) next to the Petzl Ascension (right).
The Black Diamond nForce (left) next to the Petzl Ascension (right).
Credit: Chris McNamara

Comparing the teeth on the nForce ascender (right) with the Ascension ...
Comparing the teeth on the nForce ascender (right) with the Ascension (left).
Credit: Chris McNamara


SuperTopo Editors' Hands-on Review

First off, the Petzl Ascension ascender just received a revision and we are testing this new version. If you have the old version and want to see how it compares to the new version, check out our review here. Basically the new Petzl is more or less the same as the old Petzl.

Ease of sliding up the rope
Both the nForce and the Ascension performed well, but the Ascension clearly slid up more smoothly. Our hunch for why this is the case: the nForce either A) has a pin at the bottom that rubs against the rope where the Petzl does not, or B) the more agressive camming motion of the nForce made it more likely to get stuck when near full extension.

Ease of sliding down the rope
The nForce, with its "gun trigger," was much easier to slide down the rope when down jumaring. Even when weighted, you just pull back the trigger and it works great. The Petzl, on the other hand, was pretty sticky. Over time we got good at using the Petzl and it was not a big deal. However, the nForce was noticably easier to down jumar.

Passing pieces
Neither the Petzl nor the nForce triggers are perfectly intuitive to use at first. But over time, with enough practice, we found that both ascenders were about equally as intuitive. We tested both ascenders on how many times we could take them on and off the rope in one minute and both scored about the same (15 - 20 times). When using them on El Capitan they also both seemed about the same to use. The nForce has two options for taking it on and off the rope, which was a little confusing at first, but we got used to it over time. Chris McNamara handed the Petzl to a friend who had only used the nForce up until then. He found the Petzl hard to use. So it is clear that what you are used to will be the easiest at first. Over time we found both worked about the same.

Comfort
The nForce has a more comfortable grip than the Petzl. The differences were most distinct when jugging a fixed line in space. Chris Mac said that if he wasn't wearing gloves, the articulated rubber grip on the Petzl dug into the bottom of his index finger. He likes the old Petzl grip better and the nForce grip most of all.

Design and features
There is no question but that the nForce is the cooler-looking ascender. It has all these different moving parts that make it seem like a futuristic device that with the addition of a hydrogen fuel cell might just shoot you up the rope. Also, the nForce has an advantage over the Petzl of having a big hole for clipping in. This means that a locking biner can be flipped around, which is very handy when clipping the ascenders to the side of your harness. It's one of those things you don't realize you need until you see it and then you miss it when using the Petzl.

One thing that Petzl says you can do with the ascender is use it as a self-belay device on a fixed rope. Black Diamond does not recommend this in any of its documentation. For most people this is no big deal, but if you like running laps at the crag with a self-belay, it's nice to have an ascender such as the Ascension that gives you the option.

Weight
The nForce ascender's cool design also means it it is heavier: about 25 percent heavier than the Petzl. This is definitely an advantage for the Petzl. If you are leading with two of these clipped to the side of your harness, you definitely feel the extra weight of the nForce. Chris Mac says, "It's not a big deal, but since I always like the lightest gear that works well, this is definitely a plus for the Petzl."

Use with frozen ropes
We have used these devices only a little on frozen ropes. Both seemed to work about equally well; much better than the old Jumars that would sometimes slide just on wet ropes. More testing is needed to give a definitive answer on this.

The Bottom Line
The Petzl Ascension Ascender was our favorite ascender. An informal poll of Yosemite big wall addicts confirms what we have noticed: the Petzl is still preferred for its ease of sliding up the rope and light weight. The Black Diamond nForce Ascender is cooler, has more features, and is better than the Petzl for comfort and sliding down the rope. But the Petzl is lighter and slides up the rope smoother, which ultimately pushed it ahead.

Review by: Chris McNamara Last Updated: February 21, 2010
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Robert Schiesser

Mountain climber
Seattle, WA
  Nov 27, 2009 - 04:55pm PT
I watched my friend play around with the ratcheting system on those nforce things way to much to consider touching them myself. To me its a matter of having a simple devise with less chance that the 4+ more moving parts will fail. Not only that but because their claim is that they are more likely to stay on the rope, they are also MORE DIFFICULT to remove from the rope in a traversing or overhanging setting. I also noticed that the nforce has a slip factor when the ratchet does not quite get the right angle and degree of force which is nerve racking and obviously counter productive. Stick with a simple ascender.
mark miller

Social climber
Reno
  Nov 28, 2009 - 06:26pm PT
I prefer my CMI expedition ascenders to the petzels,,,I've never seen anyone else out there with a pair and they are bomber.
hollyclimber

Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
  Nov 30, 2009 - 08:46am PT
The grip on the nForce seems to be bigger. I first held the nForce after an El Cap wall. I was still suffering from "wall hands". When I held the nForce, my hands really hurt because of the shape and size of the grip. This will be a consideration for people with smaller hands.

Also, I was going to use the nForce on an El Cap route to try them out, but I ditched them after a 3 or 4 pitch fixing day. The lower ascender would catch on the upper ascender, on the extra bolt they have on the bottem of the ascender. I had to adjust my jugging stroke to not push the lower ascender up as high as I normally do.

It seems like the mechanism to attach the nForce to the rope is safer, but its harder to get off than the Petzl.
wayne w

Trad climber
the nw
  Dec 2, 2009 - 09:52am PT
I had a pair of the CMI ascenders that were solid, but I prefer the Petzels. I have used them in a variety of situations (including ascending in waterfalls) and really appreciate the fact that they NEVER slip. After climbing the NIAD with a top jug that was slipping, I went back to the Petzels and have never been sorry that I did. Being lighter than the Black Diamond ascenders, and by virtue of their simplicity, having less chance of potentially failing, are very attractive qualities.
chris v

climber
  Dec 5, 2009 - 06:39pm PT
My favorite ascenders have always been the CMI Large Ultrascenders. I think of them as a burlier version of the original Jumars. The handle is more contoured than the Jumars (this keeps my hands from cramping), plus I like having a separate clip in hole for my aiders and daisies. Additionally, they can be used in haul mode, something Jumars cannot. One thing I don't like about the Petzl Ascension is that they only have one full sized clip in point (but you can improvise by using the handle bar as a clip-in point).
The only situation where the CMI's don't work well is on iced ropes. I learned this the hard way during a winter occupation of snow shoveling roofs. I use the Petzl Ascensions for ascending iced ropes (and during winter walls).
I like lightweight gear, and the CMI's are not light. I think they're one of the heaviest (and spendiest) ascenders on the market. That said, I like how smoothly they slide up and down the rope.
One drawback to the Petzl Ascensions is that the the teeth, located on the cams, snags the rope sheath while down jugging. Alternatively, the CMI's have balls instead of sharp hooks on the cam, which don't snag on the sheeth.
A drawback on the CMI's is their weak plastic trigger locking mechanism. I've broken a few of these clear off, but CMI has also fixed them for free (several times). They've also (free of charge) replaced the cams on my ascenders when I wore them out.
squishy

Mountain climber
sacramento
  Dec 13, 2009 - 02:14pm PT

Brasovia also has an interesting set for 50 bucks...
http://www.brasovia.com/products/product-BR900-0201.html
They look like the CMI but for a third of the price...
Chris McNamara jugging up the first pitch of South Seas, El Capitan.
Chris McNamara jugging up the first pitch of South Seas, El Capitan.
Credit: Corey Rich

Chris McNamara jugging up the first pitch of South Seas, El Capitan.

Credit: Corey Rich
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